Old before their time?

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:44 pm

Runtu wrote:No more addicted than you are to berating exmormons, Ray. ;-)

Mine is a reaction to stupidity. Yours is a proactive measure to demean your former faith - completely, totally negative and destructive. If someone slugs me in the face because they don't like the way I dress, I'm likely to slug them back. It is the anti-Mormon stupidity here which has made me react the way I have. You can't reason with people addicted to destroying and demeaning their former faith in any way they can, at any time they can, to catch any eye or ear they can. It is just truly pathetic.

Post by **_Runtu** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:48 pm

Ray A wrote:
Runtu wrote:No more addicted than you are to berating exmormons, Ray. ;-)

Mine is a reaction to stupidity. Yours is a proactive measure to demean your former faith - completely, totally negative and destructive.

Interesting. I've never thought I was particularly negative or demeaning or destructive. At least I've tried not to be, and if I have given you offense, I again apologize.

If someone slugs me in the face because they don't like the way I dress, I'm likely to slug them back. It is the anti-Mormon stupidity here which has made me react the way I have. You can't reason with people addicted to destroying and demeaning their former faith in any way they can, at any time they can, to catch any eye or ear they can. It is just truly pathetic.

Can you give me some examples of ways I've tried to destroy or demean my former faith?

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:01 pm

Runtu wrote:Can you give me some examples of ways I've tried to destroy or demean my former faith?

Use the search function to do a search of some of your own posts. Maybe you can't see it. Maybe ALL the exmos here can't see it, and they are possibly all blind to how petty and sniveling their anti-Mormonism is. But it makes no difference to others, who can see it.

Makes no difference what I say, but I'm telling the truth about this negative obsession. I've had my couple of after-work beers, I wish Mormons well, and I'm off to bed. Good night. (Carry on with the Grand Obsession.)

Post by **_Runtu** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:03 pm

Ray A wrote:Use the search function to do a search of some of your own posts. Maybe you can't see it. Maybe ALL the exmos here can't see it, and they are possibly all blind to how petty and sniveling their anti-Mormonism is. But it makes no difference to others, who can see it.

Makes no difference what I say, but I'm telling the truth about this negative obsession. I've had my couple of after-work beers, I wish Mormons well, and I'm off to bed. Good night. (Carry on with the Grand Obsession.)

Well, one would imagine that if my relentless, obsessive negativity were so obvious, you could be troubled to come up with an example or two. But again, if that's how you perceive my posts, I'm truly sorry.

Post by **_Mister Scratch** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:07 pm

Ray A wrote:
Runtu wrote:No more addicted than you are to berating exmormons, Ray. ;-)

Mine is a reaction to stupidity. Yours is a proactive measure to demean your former faith - completely, totally negative and destructive. If someone slugs me in the face because they don't like the way I dress, I'm likely to slug them back. It is the anti-Mormon stupidity here which has made me react the way I have. You can't reason with people addicted to destroying and demeaning their former faith in any way they can, at any time they can, to catch any eye or ear they can. It is just truly pathetic.

You mean you react to stupidity such as an email campaign against September Dawn, such as has been mounted by someone at MAD? Many of us here have been "slugged in the face" by either individual LDS, the institutional Church, or people at MAD. Using your logic, is it therefore okay to carry on with bashing MAD/Mormons/the LDS Church?

Post by **_ozemc** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:10 pm

Ray A wrote:
Runtu wrote:No more addicted than you are to berating exmormons, Ray. ;-)

Mine is a reaction to stupidity. Yours is a proactive measure to demean your former faith - completely, totally negative and destructive. If someone slugs me in the face because they don't like the way I dress, I'm likely to slug them back. It is the anti-Mormon stupidity here which has made me react the way I have. You can't reason with people addicted to destroying and demeaning their former faith in any way they can, at any time they can, to catch any eye or ear they can. It is just truly pathetic.

What about those of us here who have never been a Mormon?

Post by **_Runtu** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:15 pm

ozemc wrote:What about those of us here who have never been a Mormon?

Beats me. Apparently, where Ray lives, merely pondering why the LDS church prefers a certain image in the way its missionaries dress is demeaning and negative, whereas telling someone they are pathetic, sniveling, and obsessed is merely a logical response to stupidity.

At least I think that's how it works.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:27 pm

ozemc wrote:What about those of us here who have never been a Mormon?

There's no hope for you. You spot an anti-Mormon board, and you say to yourself: "Let me join the mudslingers, because I have nothing positive, and wish to contribute nothing positive to the world. If I see a mob bashing a religion, I want to get a few kicks to the head in too." Sometimes I think you nomos are worse. You must be motivated out of pure malice. The Church hasn't hurt you, yet you want to kick it in the guts. This is like scalping someone who had just been mugged. What on earth motivates you? Another misguided "save the world" mission?

Post by **_Runtu** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:29 pm

Ray A wrote:There's no hope for you. You spot an anti-Mormon board, and you say to yourself: "Let me join the mudslingers, because I have nothing positive, and wish to contribute nothing positive to the world. If I see a mob bashing a religion, I want to get a few kicks to the head in too." Sometimes I think you nomos are worse. You must be motivated out of pure malice. The Church hasn't hurt you, yet you want to kick it in the guts. This is like scalping someone who had just been mugged. What on earth motivates you? Another misguided "save the world" mission?

Yes, we all know what a hate-filled mudslinging anti-Mormon ozemc is. Oh, brother.

Post by **_ozemc** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:49 pm

Ray A wrote:
ozemc wrote:What about those of us here who have never been a Mormon?

There's no hope for you. You spot an anti-Mormon board, and you say to yourself: "Let me join the mudslingers, because I have nothing positive, and wish to contribute nothing positive to the world. If I see a mob bashing a religion, I want to get a few kicks to the head in too." Sometimes I think you nomos are worse. You must be motivated out of pure malice. The Church hasn't hurt you, yet you want to kick it in the guts. This is like scalping someone who had just been mugged. What on earth motivates you? Another misguided "save the world" mission?

Wow! Amazing the things you can attribute to someone you've never met.

I have no malice towards the Mormon church. No, I don't "want to kick it in the guts." As stated in another thread, I came here initially to try an understand a little more about my wife's religion. This has evolved for me into a place where I can discuss things that I can't with her without causing dissension and mistrust.

As with most things in my life, I do not always take the "accepted view". I especially feel this way about anyone who tells me they have "the truth". In posting here, I don't expect to 'save the world', as you put it, but just to try and get another perspective, and hopefully learn a bit more about those around me.

for what it's worth Ray, I am part of a different church; I have been a deacon, and am now an elder, and I do see lots of good in religion and am not interested in "bashing a religion."

That said, I do consider myself a realist. While I do have a spiritual component to my life, I will fully admit that I don't know why; maybe it was the way I was brought up. I also admit that I can't know for sure that there is a God, but I don't think I can not know either. I guess I've kind of developed into an agnostic.

I don't consider Mormonism to be the true church anymore than I consider any other one. Churches, to me, are man-made institutions that, while they may do some good, and have nice people, are no more a requirement to be spiritual, or to be close to God, than being baptized, or paying your tithing. A lot of them seem to be about control more than anything. I especially see that with the Mormon church, in the indoctrination of my wife. Not to say others don't, I just do not have the experiences of them to say one way or the other.

I read your posts, Ray, and I actually feel sad that you have such a distorted, nasty view of life. For someone who claims to have the true church on their side, that seems a bit odd.