Gazelam wrote:There is no scripture or authoritative statements made that say Christ was married or had children, merely alot of educated speculation.
Gaz,
You are calling apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ Liars? Yes indeed.
What qualifies you to say that Orson Hyde and Jedediah M. Grant were not speaking the mind and will of the Lord?
Jump in my time machine and we'll visit the conferences where they are stating this doctrine. Please feel free to interupt their discourses and defy their "authoritative statements" as a lot of "educated speculation". You can even call Hyde the great blasphemer.
I double dog dare you.
Your statement may work in the Relief society class you attend but not in a place where the information is readily available.
I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great
blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last
Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary,
Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.
All that I have to say in reply to that charge is this - they
worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his
Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough "to fulfil all
righteousness;" not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more
righteous and important law "to multiply and replenish the earth." Startle
not at this! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down
to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat
children, he only "did that which he had seen his Father do."
Journal of Discourses: Orson Hyde March 18, 1855 SLC
Pass on still further in their history, and look at their course and conduct, if you will believe the
writers that lived in that age. What does old Celsus say, who was physician in the first century,
whose medical works are esteemed very highly at the present time. His works on theology were
burned with fire by the Catholics, they were so shocked at what they called their impiety. Celsus
was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and
their belief? He says, "The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted
Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of
others that followed him." After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the
example of their master. For instance, John the beloved disciple, writes in his second Epistle, "Unto
the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth." Again, he says, "Having many things to
write unto you (or communicate), I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you,
and speak face to face, that our joy may be full." Again -"The children of thy elect sister greet thee.
" This ancient philosopher says they were both John's wives. Paul says, "Mine answer to them that
do examine me is this:
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the
brethren of the Lord, and Cephas." He, according to Celsus, had a numerous train of wives.
The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his
disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony
of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the
persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were "Mormons."
JD 1:346 Jedediah M. Grant August 7, 1853
If you have read this before you did not understand it.
Flame off.