mocnarf wrote:Ok, this question is probably for exmo's since TBM's are not allowed to discuss this topic.
Why is the "true order of prayer" taught in the endowment, yet people are told not to pray in that manor at home or elsewhere either in private or not.
Of what use is the "true order of prayer" if your not to use it ?
When praying in this manor, does God pay closer attention to your prayer?
Is it more likely that you will get positive results when praying in this manor?
If this is the "true order of prayer" why is it not used all the time?
I just know that it's stinky.
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LOL ..... Ok, sorry abort the typo in that title.... I corrected it.
Yeah, just funnin'. But I was about to point out that you misspelled "odor," or it is "odour?"
The Nehor wrote:I don't hold large prayer circles. I do it alone.
How do you do it alone?
Sorry, I'd rather not go into that. Covenants and such.
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The Nehor wrote:I don't hold large prayer circles. I do it alone.
How do you do it alone?
Sorry, I'd rather not go into that. Covenants and such.
I'm just trying to picture it, as I can see it working with 2 people, but not with just one.
I agree. The whole point of the true order of prayer is that it is done in a circle with others. I could see a family doing this, but I don't know how this could be done by yourself.
Frankly, the formation, etc. has always felt "culty" to me.
liz3564 wrote:Frankly, the formation, etc. has always felt "culty" to me.
Understatement of the year. :)
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Yeah, doesn't the circle have to alternate male/female and grasping with the sure sign? I'm not even sure how you would do it with 2?? Or are you just doing the mostly true order of prayer?
Along these same lines, this goes back to my blessing vs prayer thread. Does God really have all these blessing just ready to send down, except that this time you only did a normal prayer, not the true order of prayer? Or, you did the true order of prayer instead of a blessing, and therefore God is withholding blessings, even though He promised that all prayers would be answered?
I agree Liz, it has a very cultish, mantra/chanting feel to it, doesn't it?
As a side question, was the true order of prayer revealed as part of the temple ceremony, or was it a separate revelation? Where did it come from?
I would become a nervous wreck. I'm short; 5'3", and inevitably, I'd be next to a 6'3" man who had to stoop so I could reach his shoulder! I always felt awful about it and didn't want to burden him with the full weight of my arm on his shoulder or poke him with my bony elbow, so I tried to hold up my own arm for the most part, but then the prayer would go on and on and on and on and on and I felt like I'd faint before it was over! I also felt suffocated a bit by my veil. I don't like things over my face and I think that probably made it worse for me.
KimberlyAnn wrote:I hated the True Order of Prayer!!
I would become a nervous wreck. I'm short; 5'3", and inevitably, I'd be next to a 6'3" man who had to stoop so I could reach his shoulder! I always felt awful about it and didn't want to burden him with the full weight of my arm on his shoulder or poke him with my bony elbow, so I tried to hold up my own arm for the most part, but then the prayer would go on and on and on and on and on and I felt like I'd faint before it was over! I also felt suffocated a bit by my veil. I don't like things over my face and I think that probably made it worse for me.
I'm so glad those days are over.
KA
Hey, baby, I'd love to do the true order of prayer with you. I'll bet you look hot in a green apron. ;-)
KimberlyAnn wrote:I hated the True Order of Prayer!!
I would become a nervous wreck. I'm short; 5'3", and inevitably, I'd be next to a 6'3" man who had to stoop so I could reach his shoulder! I always felt awful about it and didn't want to burden him with the full weight of my arm on his shoulder or poke him with my bony elbow, so I tried to hold up my own arm for the most part, but then the prayer would go on and on and on and on and on and I felt like I'd faint before it was over! I also felt suffocated a bit by my veil. I don't like things over my face and I think that probably made it worse for me.
I'm so glad those days are over.
KA
Hey, baby, I'd love to do the true order of prayer with you. I'll bet you look hot in a green apron. ;-)