With the least degree of allowance.....

[_beastie]

styleguy, that is a moving story, and a good example of why I find the church's teachings and practices regarding sexuality potentially harmful. I knew another example of a young man who became suicidal because of the self-loathing he felt due to the fact that he couldn't stop masturbating. He likely had genetic susceptibility to depression, but it was clearly triggered by this silly ban. I also think that young Mormons are more at risk for psychological harm due to the LDS church's insistence on the necessity of open confession, whereas at least in catholicism it's secret. Young Mormon are at more risk of public exposure due to the method of confession and punishment.

[_beastie]

God can't be a monster.

Why?

[_Scottie]

God is sinless.

The only reason God is sinless is because He makes the rules. That's like saying Henry the...ummm...shoot can't remember which one...the one that beheaded all of his wives anyways, didn't commit murder because he was king, and since the king makes the law, well, he can state that the law excuses the king from murder.

God may be sinless, but He sure is immoral, just like King Henry was.

I have to disagree there. First because I know him a little better than that.

Second, it wouldn't make sense at all. If God created us then we can hardly be more moral than he is. He can't make us greater than he is. You can argue that there is no God or that God has at least the moral faculties of the best human who ever lived. God can't be a monster.

Well, if the Mormon God is really what created us, then most of us are worlds more moral than He is. We don't command others to do our dirty work. We don't murder, lie, cheat, steal, etc like God does.

Honestly, you HAVE to agree that God does immoral things by our standards. The only reason that TBM's claim God is moral is because He makes the law. Therefore He is above the law.

[_Maxrep]

He can get over it. We can't. God is sinless. To go where he goes we must be the same. The atonement is retroactive. I don't know how it works but it wipes out the sin. In terms of eternity IT NEVER HAPPENED. That to me is amazing.

.

That to me is the willful suspension of disbelief. Trying to pretend a person never committed a sin that they did infact commit seems a waste of energy. Acknowledging that someone has learned from their mistake, well now we are witnessing progress. Progression is what our life here is about, right?

[_Polygamy Porter]

If there is TV up there in Elohim's CK, I am sure he is a regular on COPS for being a dead beat abusive mean som'b!tch of a father. The dude has a bad temper.

[_The Nehor]

God can't be a monster.

Why?

If God created us and he has no morals then he couldn't put them into us and more importantly why would he?

[_The Nehor]

He can get over it. We can't. God is sinless. To go where he goes we must be the same. The atonement is retroactive. I don't know how it works but it wipes out the sin. In terms of eternity IT NEVER HAPPENED. That to me is amazing.

.

That to me is the willful suspension of disbelief. Trying to pretend a person never committed a sin that they did infact commit seems a waste of energy. Acknowledging that someone has learned from their mistake, well now we are witnessing progress. Progression is what our life here is about, right?

No, because I know it happened and did learn from it. It just doesn't matter anymore to God because We dealt with it.

[_The Nehor]

God is sinless.

The only reason God is sinless is because He makes the rules. That's like saying Henry the...ummm...shoot can't remember which one...the one that beheaded all of his wives anyways, didn't commit murder because he was king, and since the king makes the law, well, he can state that the law excuses the king from murder.

God may be sinless, but He sure is immoral, just like King Henry was.

I have to disagree there. First because I know him a little better than that.

Second, it wouldn't make sense at all. If God created us then we can hardly be more moral than he is. He can't make us greater than he is. You can argue that there is no God or that God has at least the moral faculties of the best human who ever lived. God can't be a monster.

Well, if the Mormon God is really what created us, then most of us are worlds more moral than He is. We don't command others to do our dirty work. We don't murder, lie, cheat, steal, etc like God does.

Honestly, you HAVE to agree that God does immoral things by our standards. The only reason that TBM's claim God is moral is because He makes the law. Therefore He is above the law.

True, God is the master of situational morality because he alone knows ALL the consequences of every action he takes. When did God ask me to do his dirty work for him? I can't recall him ever asking me to do such a thing. What are you thinking of?

[_beastie]

f God created us and he has no morals then he couldn't put them into us and more importantly why would he?

You do realize you're just making assertions without any evidence or logic, don't you?

There is no reason a "monster God" couldn't create human beings any way he wanted to, for whatever reason he wanted to.

Besides, if you accept the Bible and the Book of Mormon as an accurate reflection of the character of God, the only moral he consistently wants human beings to have is to do whatever he says, even if it contradicts something else he said earlier.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Thestyleguy...

Ohhhh thanks for sharing your experience.

It makes my heart hurt to know this happened to you.

The whole process is cruel!

As Beastie mentioned, the public confession, the guilt, the teachings, the mission rules, all of it are so hurtful and unhealthy!

I'm really sorry this happened to you!

~dancer~