The Fine Art of Sexual Intercourse

[_truth dancer]

So here is the question Harmony...

If two guys, or two gals were being non-sexually affectionate, say holding hands or sitting close in church, what would happen? If they admitted they were gay, promised there would be no sex, but were close friends would it be a problem?

Seems even if a "couple" admitted they were gay, so long as they said they were free from sexual encounters they would be fine?

Hmmm... I'm not sure what would happen in this case.

~dancer~

[_Nephi]

So here is the question Harmony...

If two guys, or two gals were being non-sexually affectionate, say holding hands or sitting close in church, what would happen? If they admitted they were gay, promised there would be no sex, but were close friends would it be a problem?

Seems even if a "couple" admitted they were gay, so long as they said they were free from sexual encounters they would be fine?

Hmmm... I'm not sure what would happen in this case.

~dancer~

I have heard of individuals in the church admitting they were gay, but they did not engage in sexual relations w/the same sex, and the church did not oppose them for this ideal.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Nephi...

I have heard of individuals in the church admitting they were gay, but they did not engage in sexual relations w/the same sex, and the church did not oppose them for this ideal.

I've known such individuals...

I'm thinking more about non-sexual cuddling, affection, holding hands, a peck on the cheek, etc.; the double standard of which Harmony speaks.

~dancer~

[_Nephi]

Hi Nephi...

I have heard of individuals in the church admitting they were gay, but they did not engage in sexual relations w/the same sex, and the church did not oppose them for this ideal.

I've known such individuals...

I'm thinking more about non-sexual cuddling, affection, holding hands, a peck on the cheek, etc.; the double standard of which Harmony speaks.

~dancer~

Can't say I've known anyone in the world that was as such. This type of behavior eventually leads to sexual adventures. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not know of any as such.

[_Zoidberg]

Hi Nephi...

I have heard of individuals in the church admitting they were gay, but they did not engage in sexual relations w/the same sex, and the church did not oppose them for this ideal.

I've known such individuals...

I'm thinking more about non-sexual cuddling, affection, holding hands, a peck on the cheek, etc.; the double standard of which Harmony speaks.

~dancer~

Can't say I've known anyone in the world that was as such. This type of behavior eventually leads to sexual adventures. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not know of any as such.

What about this guy? He hasn't had any "sexual adventures" yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54QR_5k6qA8

[_Sethbag]

I think trying to play the definition game will get an LDS person in trouble. It's my impression that the LDS church will interpret as "sex", for the purposes of fornication or adultery, any sexual activity* (excuse the circular definition for a moment) between any two persons not married to each other, which involves the genitals of either person, or the boobs of a female. The church won't be convinced by arguments about penises penetrating vaginas.

By the way, when I went through the temple, I covenanted not to have "sexual intercourse" with anyone exept my wife, to whom I am legally and lawfully married. The same covenant now specifies "sexual relations". I'm guessing that some kind of definition defenses were pulled by people involved in church courts or something. That's just not gonna cut it in the church.

I doubt the church will ever change regarding their stance toward fornication or adultery. It's possible they'll stop worrying about masturbation, but I just can't imagine they'll budge on fornication.

*in other words, it's not "illegal" to be an LDS ob/gyn and touch the genitals of someone one is not married to

[Jersey Girl]

A girl and a girl doing the same thing? Huge outcry no matter how old they are.

Are you not forgetting about videos you can watch in the privacy of your own home? A lot of guys find this girl-on-girl thing to be pretty hot.

Not so with guy-on-guy. Yuck. Double yuck.

[_Jason Bourne]

The thread about gay marriage started me thinking about fornication, and by extrapolation, sexual intercourse.

Strictly speaking (which is how our LDS leaders speak as a general rule), is sexual intercourse is even possible for gays? Most of the definitions I found stated that in order for sexual intercourse to take place, the penis must be inserted into the vagina. Therefore, it seems to me there is no such thing as gay sexual intercourse. So if there is no intercourse, how can there be any fornication? And if there is no fornication and no sexual intercourse between unmarried participants, how can there be sin?

I think they might call it sodomy. Oral sex is also pretty taboo, even potentially among married folk!!!!

[_barrelomonkeys]

The thread about gay marriage started me thinking about fornication, and by extrapolation, sexual intercourse.

Strictly speaking (which is how our LDS leaders speak as a general rule), is sexual intercourse is even possible for gays? Most of the definitions I found stated that in order for sexual intercourse to take place, the penis must be inserted into the vagina. Therefore, it seems to me there is no such thing as gay sexual intercourse. So if there is no intercourse, how can there be any fornication? And if there is no fornication and no sexual intercourse between unmarried participants, how can there be sin?

I think they might call it sodomy. Oral sex is also pretty taboo, even potentially among married folk!!!!

Really?

[_Nephi]

The thread about gay marriage started me thinking about fornication, and by extrapolation, sexual intercourse.

Strictly speaking (which is how our LDS leaders speak as a general rule), is sexual intercourse is even possible for gays? Most of the definitions I found stated that in order for sexual intercourse to take place, the penis must be inserted into the vagina. Therefore, it seems to me there is no such thing as gay sexual intercourse. So if there is no intercourse, how can there be any fornication? And if there is no fornication and no sexual intercourse between unmarried participants, how can there be sin?

I think they might call it sodomy. Oral sex is also pretty taboo, even potentially among married folk!!!!

Is this outside of the church, or the church as well? We were told that once married, pretty much anything goes in the bedroom.