Charity, you have a lot of nerve and a whole lot of self-righteousness.
Mercury, was just doing what you have advised me and about everyone else here to do and that is to keep-on-keeping-on, pray, pay, and obey, borrow someone else's testimony until you get your own, keep the faith, don't give up, fake it until you make it, just go through the motions, and etc.
Mercury did, I did, until the paint fell off the wall and the wall fell down.
And you want to call that chicken behavior? You're the chicken. Mercury shows more strength, courage and integrity that you can imagine. Leaving the church ain't for chickens, it takes guts. Go put on your chicken blinders back on and hide behind them and spout some more of your self-righteous sputum.
It takes a big person to leave the Church but it takes a bigger person to mock them.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Chicken behavior there, mercury. You should have stood up for your "anti-belief." You have nobody to blame but yourself. Keep kicking yourself. You deserve it.
And if you are so worried about losing precious time, why are you wasting so much time bellyaching on the message board?
Guacamoses. I can't believe I just read this. No, really.
I did read it. That has got to be one of the most uninsightful responses I've ever read on a board and I've been around for a good long while. I see no indication in Mercury's OP that he harbored "anti-belief", if you disagree, I'd like to see what it is that you interpret as "anti-belief" in his statement. He stated that he was on his way out. What does that suggest to you? That he had already lost his belief or was in a process of losing his testimony?
As anyone with reading comprehension skills can see, he stated that he returned from his mission and continued to try to remain true to the church.
Again, what is it in his comments that suggest to you that he harbored "anti-belief"?
Charity, you have a lot of nerve and a whole lot of self-righteousness.
Mercury, was just doing what you have advised me and about everyone else here to do and that is to keep-on-keeping-on, pray, pay, and obey, borrow someone else's testimony until you get your own, keep the faith, don't give up, fake it until you make it, just go through the motions, and etc.
Mercury did, I did, until the paint fell off the wall and the wall fell down.
And you want to call that chicken behavior? You're the chicken. Mercury shows more strength, courage and integrity that you can imagine. Leaving the church ain't for chickens, it takes guts. Go put on your chicken blinders back on and hide behind them and spout some more of your self-righteous sputum.
It takes a big person to leave the Church but it takes a bigger person to mock them.
You are so profound.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I get so tired of people saying they were "foreced" to go on a mission, "forced" to marry in the temple.
Okay, if mercury signs a affidavit that he never did anything rebellious in his previous 19 years, alwys did exactly as his parents told him to, I might reconsider.
The give away in his post was the "I would have been better off smoking pot for 2 years" comment.
Oh, yes, and the way he slips into the good old boy condescending to women mode. Men who are condescending to women are showing their weakness. They can't beat up on their peers (in physical strength) so they take it out on women.
I get so tired of people saying they were "foreced" to go on a mission, "forced" to marry in the temple.
Okay, if mercury signs a affidavit that he never did anything rebellious in his previous 19 years, alwys did exactly as his parents told him to, I might reconsider.
The give away in his post was the "I would have been better off smoking pot for 2 years" comment.
Oh, yes, and the way he slips into the good old boy condescending to women mode. Men who are condescending to women are showing their weakness. They can't beat up on their peers (in physical strength) so they take it out on women.
That's not what I asked you, charity. I asked you what in his comments leads you to think that he harbored "anti-belief". Please show me the remarks that indicate this to you.
Charity, you have a lot of nerve and a whole lot of self-righteousness.
Mercury, was just doing what you have advised me and about everyone else here to do and that is to keep-on-keeping-on, pray, pay, and obey, borrow someone else's testimony until you get your own, keep the faith, don't give up, fake it until you make it, just go through the motions, and etc.
Mercury did, I did, until the paint fell off the wall and the wall fell down.
And you want to call that chicken behavior? You're the chicken. Mercury shows more strength, courage and integrity that you can imagine. Leaving the church ain't for chickens, it takes guts. Go put on your chicken blinders back on and hide behind them and spout some more of your self-righteous sputum.
Mercury has more than said that he hated his Mission, saw many of the Missionaries as sheep or mental defectives, and that he despised most of what he was doing.
I served with Missionaries like that. I TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD GO HOME. They never did and I couldn't figure out why. They hated their Mission. Why they stayed I do not know. It was like hell to them according to them. They made my life much more difficult. I suspect they've all gone home and are on boards like.......hey, you're not Canadian, are you Merc? :)
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Mercury has more than said that he hated his Mission, saw many of the Missionaries as sheep or mental defectives, and that he despised most of what he was doing.
I served with Missionaries like that. I TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD GO HOME. They never did and I couldn't figure out why. They hated their Mission. Why they stayed I do not know. It was like hell to them according to them. They made my life much more difficult. I suspect they've all gone home and are on boards like.......hey, you're not Canadian, are you Merc?
You caught the point without realizing it. You can't understand peer pressure, family pressure, you can't understand how a 19 year old can feel pressured or forced to go. You can't begin to understand the pressure and the humiliation that would occur if you went home early. You just can't understand and that says it all. Sorry your two years was made so difficult.
This goes for you too, Charity. And you can tire of someone saying they were forced to go but you don't understand either. And I am tired of your PolyAnna replies.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace
Mercury has more than said that he hated his Mission, saw many of the Missionaries as sheep or mental defectives, and that he despised most of what he was doing.
I served with Missionaries like that. I TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD GO HOME. They never did and I couldn't figure out why. They hated their Mission. Why they stayed I do not know. It was like hell to them according to them. They made my life much more difficult. I suspect they've all gone home and are on boards like.......hey, you're not Canadian, are you Merc?
You caught the point without realizing it. You can't understand peer pressure, family pressure, you can't understand how a 19 year old can feel pressured or forced to go. You can't begin to understand the pressure and the humiliation that would occur if you went home early. You just can't understand and that says it all. Sorry your two years was made so difficult.
This goes for you too, Charity. And you can tire of someone saying they were forced to go but you don't understand either. And I am tired of your PolyAnna replies.
I had a brother and 2 friends who came home early. One chose voluntarily to leave, one was forced to leave, and the other was sent home due to transgression. I saw several people sent home and others who chose to leave while I was out. I think I know a little about the phenomenon. I have more respect for those who bowed out than the ones who stayed for no reason I can discern. They both hated the Gospel, the Church, their Mission, and their families come to think of it. I hope the bar raising worked some.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Mercury has more than said that he hated his Mission, saw many of the Missionaries as sheep or mental defectives, and that he despised most of what he was doing.
I served with Missionaries like that. I TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD GO HOME. They never did and I couldn't figure out why. They hated their Mission. Why they stayed I do not know. It was like hell to them according to them. They made my life much more difficult. I suspect they've all gone home and are on boards like.......hey, you're not Canadian, are you Merc?
You caught the point without realizing it. You can't understand peer pressure, family pressure, you can't understand how a 19 year old can feel pressured or forced to go. You can't begin to understand the pressure and the humiliation that would occur if you went home early. You just can't understand and that says it all. Sorry your two years was made so difficult.
This goes for you too, Charity. And you can tire of someone saying they were forced to go but you don't understand either. And I am tired of your PolyAnna replies.
I had a brother and 2 friends who came home early. One chose voluntarily to leave, one was forced to leave, and the other was sent home due to transgression. I saw several people sent home and others who chose to leave while I was out. I think I know a little about the phenomenon. I have more respect for those who bowed out than the ones who stayed for no reason I can discern. They both hated the Gospel, the Church, their Mission, and their families come to think of it. I hope the bar raising worked some.
Why have you left out the reaction and responses of family and friends to the homecoming of the above 3 missionaries you refer to? That's what Pokatator was point to, not the circumstances regarding how they left their mission but the social impact on them after they returned home.