DCP Targets Paul Osborne in a Smear Campaign

[_Dwight Frye]

I mean: Paul has been saying for some time now that he has "love" in his heart for Dan and other apologists---and heck, he even went down to that recent event in Dallas and shook DCP's hand! And this is the treatment he gets?

I have had occasion in the past to meet in real life people I had known only online as "foes," and I must say that, without exception, seeing and talking to the real life person behind the screen name and avatar has changed my perception of and softened my heart toward that person - Every. Single. Time.

After our real life meeting, my "enemies" and I would disagree on the same points as we had before, of course, but NEVER with the same amount of anger, lack of charity, or disrespect. NEVER.

That Mr. Dr. Prof. Bishop Peterson, PhD. is capable of INCREASED vitriol after a real life encounter with a "foe" (especially one as friendly as our beloved Paul O.) troubles me deeply. I know it is awful Scratchian of me to suggest it, but I don't think an apology from DCP would be out of line in this instance.

[_Paul Osborne]

I've probably only got days left before they hunt me down and crucify me. There are a lot of people that know me here in Dallas -- many of which love and respect me.

But, now I'm just another dirty apostate, MAD board fodder for mockery and humor, and racking up sins fast. I'm a dead man!

But wait, I'm alive! I'm not saved because of the church! I'm saved because I love God, am striving to love everyone else, and do my best to treat people right where ever I go. I know I slip up and am not perfect but I learned in Mormonism that one is suppose to pick themself up and never quit trying.

But as soon as you quit the church they get angry with you. Why is this? I'll tell you why: It is because when we drop out it tells them that we believe their faith is misplaced and that makes them angry. I don't blame them. I've done the same damn thing myself!

Paul O

[_beastie]

DCP on the linked thread:

And don't forget that my knowledge of Chinese and Hindi (and of hundreds of other languages that I didn't bother to mention, but that I also know better than anyone else) has made me powerful and strong, too!

In fact, I'm more powerful and strong and focused than anybody!

I've proven myself to be the greatest linguist of all time!

And did I mention that I know more about engineering than anybody? Well, no matter. That proves that I'm the greatest engineer of all time!

LOL! If a critic had posted this, he/she would probably be banned for mocking Joseph Smith.

("I am a big lawyer"..."God is my right hand man"...."I have more to boast of than any man ever had"...)

Personally, I think it's obvious DCP has gone after Paul because he dissed Nibley. Yes, that is reason enough. Remember Shade's words of wisdom: MAD isn't really about defending Mormonism - it's about defending Mormon Apologetics. Nothing will get them going more than disrespecting a sainted apologist.

[_Dr. Shades]

I wonder how much time I have left before the Stake President comes knocking on my door. Fortunately, he doesn't know the gate code and I'm not going to tell him.

Why would the stake president bother? That's more of a bishop or elder's quorum president thing.

[_Ray A]

I mean: Paul has been saying for some time now that he has "love" in his heart for Dan and other apologists---and heck, he even went down to that recent event in Dallas and shook DCP's hand! And this is the treatment he gets?

He made a resolve to stop criticising DCP. The meeting and social gesture was a friendly overture by Paul, I presume to suggest that in real life he has no hatred of DCP, but let's not forget that any criticism of his apologetic friends is an unpardonable sin, as was the case with Eric's dad. You don't have to criticise him, just his friends. To put it bluntly, he doesn't give a rat's arse about Paul because Paul is now apostate. Any personal, friendly gestures, and vows to be more respectable to him, mean nothing. But that's the general nature of Mormonism (with some exceptions). You quickly learn that your friendship is valued in proportion to your devotion, faith or belief, and if an unbeliever, your potential to return to the faith.

[_Trevor]

And don't forget that my knowledge of Chinese and Hindi (and of hundreds of other languages that I didn't bother to mention, but that I also know better than anyone else) has made me powerful and strong, too!

In fact, I'm more powerful and strong and focused than anybody!

I've proven myself to be the greatest linguist of all time!

And did I mention that I know more about engineering than anybody? Well, no matter. That proves that I'm the greatest engineer of all time!

I just knew he was a theios aner.

[_Paul Osborne]

Personally, I think it's obvious DCP has gone after Paul because he dissed Nibley. Yes, that is reason enough. Remember Shade's words of wisdom: MAD isn't really about defending Mormonism - it's about defending Mormon Apologetics. Nothing will get them going more than disrespecting a sainted apologist

I've only ever attacked Nibley because of his apologetics. Years ago I posted several threads in the FAIR Book of Abraham section entitled: Nibley Strikes Again I, II, II and spelled out my reason how his argument stunk. I received very little opposition from those posts.

I spoke to my apostate mother yesterday. She actually remembers Nibley teaching when she attended BYU back in the 50's. My mother told me she thinks he probably raped his daughter. My mother thinks Nibley is worse than a skunk! Could it be that the GA's have been fooled all along by a rapist in their own midst!

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

Why would the stake president bother? That's more of a bishop or elder's quorum president thing

The EQP is not in the picture. The HPG and Bishop have been put on a no contact basis, so naturally the President of the HPG would likely become informed of a problem that might involve disciple.

Then again, maybe I have nothing to fear and can just go on living my life without interruption.

Paul O

[_moksha]

I see Dr. Peterson's responses as being understandable considering the level of challenging and critical responses and name calling he has been subjected to on many boards. When we live with criticism we learn to criticize. Deep down, even if Dr. Peterson is too wounded to admit it, he no doubt regrets any harsh words with Paul or anyone else. He knows that anger is not what he wants to be about.

Keeping Dr. Peterson in turmoil through a constant barrage of barbs will cause him to compartmentalize his kindness, expressing it perhaps only in Church or his home.

What is done to Dr. Peterson is done to all of us.

[_Ray A]

I see Dr. Peterson's responses as being understandable considering the level of challenging and critical responses and name calling he has been subjected to on many boards. When we live with criticism we learn to criticize.

I'm afraid he took this task upon himself when, 20 years ago, the FARMS Review was launched. Perhaps you haven't read what he wrote about the Tanners, though they never personally attacked him. This was a systematic attempt to discredit all criticism of the Church and Mormonism. You know what they say about politicians - if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.