Misconceptions about the Mormon Church (U.K.)

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[_Kishkumen]

Agreed. And virtually all the Mormon pseudo-prophets...

Yes, Mormonism had one Prophet with a capital P, Joseph Smith. The rest have been presiding apostles.

It's all there in the history books.

[_Tobin]

Agreed. And virtually all the Mormon pseudo-prophets...

Yes, Mormonism had one Prophet with a capital P, Joseph Smith. The rest have been presiding apostles.

It's all there in the history books.

Agreed. It is mystifying to me that Mormons can read the Book of Mormon or look at early Church History and not understand that the supposed prophets of today are nothing of the kind. They are caretakers, presiding apostles, or corporate bureaucrats - but they are not prophets. You don't become a prophet of God by being called by men and put in that position. You become a prophet of God by seeking the truth (usually because of some great spiritual or social wrong that you notice) and speaking with God and God calls you to do his work and speak his words to correct such wrongs - just as Joseph Smith was.

[_lulu]

Not sure who put this together, but I thought it was interesting that they tried to address some of the difficult issues in this short video.

LDS Europe TV

http://www.youtube.com/user/LDSEuropeTV?feature=watch

Looks like a True Church PR effort

Gotta love Gibson's opening quote from Moynihan, "Every one has the right to their own opinion but not their own facts." Hope BKP doesn't hear that, he's quite sure his get his own set of useful facts.

[_ldsfaqs]

The same cockamamie baloney about blacks and the priesthood I see.

I don't see how anyone can buy that nonsense explanation of this issue.

Did you happen to notice there wasn't a single black person saying nope, the morg aren't racist?

hobo1512 1 day ago
Martyr's don't shoot back like Joseph Smith did. He may have been murdered, but he was NOT martyred. Did you know he killed a man during the shoot out in Carthage?
Anyone notice there wasn't a single black person saying the Mormon church isn't racist? Hmmmmm

1. According to ALL Dictionary & otherwise accepted definitions, a "Martyr" is someone who dies for his beliefs, no matter the method.

2. The TWO men hit by Joseph's gun while defending himself & those with him were in fact VERY MUCH ALIVE when they stood trial & had witnesses testify against them, papers even reporting they were alive.

3. Someone of "ethnic" background can certainly testify if they have seen racism in the Church. Further, there are plenty of blacks within the Church that will testify the same. There are videos on the net, and I've met plenty in person.

I've just proven you a liar by each of your claims with the actual facts.
Why do you follow anti-mormon propaganda as if it's the actual truth?
After all, a simple unequivocal FACT of if Joseph killed someone or not proves unequivocally that the ideology you follow is not from truth, but from perversion and evil. Further, you don't even get the number right, you say "one" when it was "two". So, you're a frigging liar in every degree.

Proof that anti-mormons aren't interested in the actual truth, but only in their hate and bigotry.

[_hobo1512]

I don't see how anyone can buy that nonsense explanation of this issue.

Did you happen to notice there wasn't a single black person saying nope, the morg aren't racist?

hobo1512 1 day ago
Martyr's don't shoot back like Joseph Smith did. He may have been murdered, but he was NOT martyred. Did you know he killed a man during the shoot out in Carthage?
Anyone notice there wasn't a single black person saying the Mormon church isn't racist? Hmmmmm

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1. According to ALL Dictionary & otherwise accepted definitions, a "Martyr" is someone who dies for his beliefs, no matter the method.

Maybe in your so called research, you missed this definition, so I'm guessing you are the liar since you stated ALL dictionary etc...lol
1.
a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion. Shooting back does not make a person "willing" now does it? Kind of goes against his statement of being a lamb lead to slaughter too wouldn't you say......LOL

2. The TWO men hit by Joseph's gun while defending himself & those with him were in fact VERY MUCH ALIVE when they stood trial & had witnesses testify against them, papers even reporting they were alive.
Maybe you should read your own church history, where Elder Reed Blake states that one of the men did in fact die from the wounds inflicted by Smith. ""Two other men were known to get hit in the hall, one a man named Townsend from Fort Madison, Iowa Territory, who died nine months later from the arm wound that wouldn't heal, and another named Mills, who was shot in the arm."
- Elder Reed Blake
I didn't say he died right away now did I? Read a little close next time little buddy

3. Someone of "ethnic" background can certainly testify if they have seen racism in the Church. Further, there are plenty of blacks within the Church that will testify the same. There are videos on the net, and I've met plenty in person.

If there are so many people of "ethnic background" that can testify, why didn't they use just one? Keep shooting yourself in the foot little buddy. You will run out of toes soon enough

I've just proven you a liar by each of your claims with the actual facts. You haven't shown a fact yet....LOL
Why do you follow anti-mormon propaganda as if it's the actual truth? Your own church history is anti Mormon propoganda? That is good to know.
After all, a simple unequivocal FACT of if Joseph killed someone or not proves unequivocally that the ideology you follow is not from truth, but from perversion and evil. Further, you don't even get the number right, you say "one" when it was "two". So, you're a frigging liar in every degree. Oh, you poor disturbed little individual. You're the idiot that brought up the number two. Is math really that difficult for you. I said he killed 1. Read your church history you moron. Better yet, read the book by Elder Reed Blake (he's on your side) called 24 hours to Martyrdom. Again, it is in the History of the Mormon church, so I suggest you read it before you start calling people names you meaningless little know nothing pisant. Yes, that was a personal attack, just in case the mods were wondering.

Proof that anti-mormons aren't interested in the actual truth, but only in their hate and bigotry.[/quote] Truth is truth, sorry if you can't handle it.

By the way, when can you get your meds refilled? I think you're running low.

[_ldsfaqs]

Maybe in your so called research, you missed this definition
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a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion. Shooting back does not make a person "willing" now does it?

Your research is the "so-called" research.

Joseph most certainly "willingly" died for his beliefs rather than renouncing them. Thus you pervert.
Second, you quote only "one" aspect of the definition of a Martyr. Thus, you again pervert.

2. The TWO men hit by Joseph's gun while defending himself & those with him were in fact VERY MUCH ALIVE when they stood trial & had witnesses testify against them, papers even reporting they were alive.
Maybe you should read your own church history, where Elder Reed Blake states that one of the men did in fact die from the wounds inflicted by Smith.

You quoting anti-mormons who have quote-mined some statement from an LDS book doesn't mean YOU actually read LDS history.

Further, I need you to quote from me that statement, because I'm not even finding ANY anti-mormons making this claim. They all claim two were killed, and all the legit scholarship demonstrates that all three men got new suits from fellow anti's, and they fled the county.

It's possible one did eventually die from complications due to his wounds. But, he clearly lived well for sometime after the event. Plus, who cares? Joseph shot people in self defense. Or don't you believe in self defense? Mormons do you know...

Anyway, quote this book for me..... Not a single website pro or con makes your claim.

3. Someone of "ethnic" background can certainly testify if they have seen racism in the Church. Further, there are plenty of blacks within the Church that will testify the same. There are videos on the net, and I've met plenty in person.

If there are so many people of "ethnic background" that can testify, why didn't they use just one? Keep shooting yourself in the foot little buddy. You will run out of toes soon enough

So a Mexican/Hispanic in the video making the comments isn't "ethnic" enough for you???

I've just proven you a liar by each of your claims with the actual facts. You haven't shown a fact yet....LOL
Why do you follow anti-mormon propaganda as if it's the actual truth? Your own church history is anti Mormon propoganda? That is good to know.
After all, a simple unequivocal FACT of if Joseph killed someone or not proves unequivocally that the ideology you follow is not from truth, but from perversion and evil. Further, you don't even get the number right, you say "one" when it was "two". So, you're a frigging liar in every degree. Oh, you poor disturbed little individual. You're the idiot that brought up the number two. Is math really that difficult for you. I said he killed 1. Read your church history you moron. Better yet, read the book by Elder Reed Blake (he's on your side) called 24 hours to Martyrdom. Again, it is in the History of the Mormon church, so I suggest you read it before you start calling people names you meaningless little know nothing pisant. Yes, that was a personal attack, just in case the mods were wondering.

Proof that anti-mormons aren't interested in the actual truth, but only in their hate and bigotry Truth is truth, sorry if you can't handle it.

By the way, when can you get your meds refilled? I think you're running low.

Ranting and making false charges doesn't bode well that you are based in truth.

by the way, I mistyped, it was actually "three" who got hit by Joseph's bullets, 3 shots three hit.
And another thing. I'm a Mormon because I actually love the truth. And I'm not an anti-mormon anymore like you because of that fact also.

[_ludwigm]

I'm a Mormon because I actually love the truth.

Credo quia absurdum is a Latin phrase of uncertain origin. It means "I believe because it is absurd" It is derived from a poorly remembered or misquoted passage in Tertullian's De Carne Christi defending the tenets of orthodox Christianity against docetism, which reads in the original Latin:

Crucifixus est Dei Filius, non pudet, quia pudendum est;
et mortuus est Dei Filius, prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est;
et sepultus resurrexit, certum est, quia impossibile.
— (De Carne Christi V, 4)

"The Son of God was crucified: there is no shame, because it is shameful.
And the Son of God died: it is wholly credible, because it is unsuitable.
And, buried, He rose again: it is certain, because impossible."

by the way there were no such person as Tertullian. His name was Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus.

Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus was a prolific early Christian author from Carthage in the Roman province of Africa. He is the first Christian author to produce an extensive corpus of Latin Christian literature. He also was a notable early Christian apologist and a polemicist against heresy. Tertullian has been called "the father of Latin Christianity" and "the founder of Western theology."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian (read his name as as Tertullianus...)

[_ldsfaqs]

I've already been an Atheist Ludwigm. I know your arguments, thus knowing what they ignore or don't know.

[_ludwigm]

I've already been an Atheist Ludwigm.

So You will burn forever in the atheist (small cap...) hell. Unfortunately, we didn't define it. There is no atheist's hell. We (atheists) are that negligent.

I know your arguments

The old mind reading ability of apologists...

thus knowing what they ignore

I don't ignore any of Your text (stupid more or less) - only after read and interpret them.

or don't know.

hehehe