Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Quakers on the moon. Joseph is probably eating his hat on that one. :wink:



Tell that to President Smith and the Patriarch of the church, Joseph Smith Sr., in 1837 in the presence of the elders and YOU would find yourself soon excommunicated from the church.

So, in a sense, you are not even a member of Joseph Smith's original Mormon church. The prophet and his father would have run you off. You are only a member of the LDS apostate church of 2017.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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Shulem wrote:...you are not even a member of Joseph Smith's original Mormon church...


It does depend on whether or not the CofJCofLDS holds the keys of authority passed down from the time of Joseph Smith. And whether or not you believe he had those keys.

If he did, then yes, I would consider myself a member of the original church restored by Joseph Smith under the authority of Jesus Christ.

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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Shulem wrote:...you are not even a member of Joseph Smith's original Mormon church...


It does depend on whether or not the CofJCofLDS holds the keys of authority passed down from the time of Joseph Smith. And whether or not you believe he had those keys.

If he did, then yes, I would consider myself a member of the original church restored by Joseph Smith under the authority of Jesus Christ.

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The keys of priesthood authority which Smith held were imaginary and self proclaimed. Those same imaginary keys have been passed down through generations given to men as church doctrine morphs and apostatizes into new things. The keys held by the present day leaders are no more real than the keys held by Smith or the king's name written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3, Fig. 2.

Again, President Smith and his father, the Patriarch of the church, would excommunicate you and cast you out of the Kirtland society wherewith you would pack your bags and be gone. You have insulted the prophetic mantle of the church and mocked the prophet. Father Smith revealed that men live on the moon and that the gospel of this kingdom will be preached to those people.

Joseph Smith rebukes you, MG. The Spirit rebukes you in the name of Jesus Christ! You have no place in Kirtland -- let all the saints rebuke you and shake off the dust of their feet. Your name is to be removed from the records of the church. Don't show your face in Kirtland again. You've been warned.

Even so, Amen.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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mentalgymnast wrote:And whether or not you believe he had those keys.


Belief or faith is not going to change a thing. Either he had such keys or he did not. Today's belief/faith cannot change or alter what has already taken place. Same goes for Facsimile No. 3. No matter how much you believe there is a king's name written in the writing, in reality there is no king's name, thus one's belief or faith changes nothing except in their own mind.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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mentalgymnast wrote:

If he did


And if he didn't? Then what?
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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Shulem wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:

If he did


And if he didn't? Then what?


I think the answer to that question would be rather obvious.

There is a line in the sand, isn't there?

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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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The Quakers live on a secret moon right behind the dark side of the moon we see at night.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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mentalgymnast wrote:The Book of Mormon copyright mission to Canada was a failure. And revelation, in that case, was used as the reason for sending men on that mission. Other examples could be given where Joseph believed he WAS speaking as a prophet and others where he wasn't (Kinderhook Plates?)...and he knew it...even though others were thinking something otherwise. I am willing to cut him some slack and recognize that he, along with the rest of us, was a human...he had a learning curve to deal with as he received the things of God.

It was Joseph who said, by the way, that some 'revelations' were of God, some were of men, and some were of the devil. What a thing for a 'prophet' to own up to and admit.


Not when you realize he said that to explain why he got claimed revelation really wrong. Trying to muddy the water does not help you because now you never know what is suppose to be from God and what is not. If Joseph cannot tell the difference there is no way for you to. To be honest you would now have to consider things like the Book of Abraham as possibly from man, and after you look at the evidence, you are left with no other possibility.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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Themis wrote:To be honest you would now have to consider things like the Book of Abraham as possibly from man, and after you look at the evidence, you are left with no other possibility.


That's correct. An example would be how Joseph Smith viewed Fig. 6 in Facsimile No. 3 and mistakenly labeled the black god Anubis as a slave with the fictitious non-Egyptian name of Olimlah. Here we see the perfect example of how an uneducated man such as Joseph Smith was feigning to translate Egyptian to impress his friends and even publish it for the whole world to see.

Well, there are no Quaker men on the moon and the gods of Egypt are not slaves.

Go figure.
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Re: Revisiting Quakers on the Moon

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Yes, there are folks about 6 foot tall who dress like Quakers on the moon. The Apollo Astronauts did not see them because they landed in the wrong places.

These moon inhabitants are known but government keeps it quiet just as they do the Polish Space Program landing on the Sun. Little known as they did not burn up because they went at night...
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