peacemaker wrote:Paul tells the Corinthians "I became your father through the gospel" 1 Corinthians 4:15. Paul referred to both Timothy and Titus as his "spiritual" sons 2 Tomothy 1:2, Titus 1:4. You blind anti-Mormons need to see the light. Repent!
Oh yeah, baby.
Paul, Timothy, and Titus. They made a great threesome. Are you jealous, peacemaker? You want some of that action too, don't you?
peacemaker wrote:Joseph Smith was not a polygamist
How about Brigham Young? Did he like girls? How many girls did he knock up?
How about John Taylor the criminal on the run? Did he like young babes?
Yeah, I don't get wanting to promote Joseph Smith as a non-sexual-polygamist when subsequent "prophets" jumped at the chance to have some young girls added to their stables. The same God who supposedly prohibits Joseph from sexually practicing polygamy/polyandry then commands it (at least polygamy) just a few years later for Brigham Young? Then stops the practice all together when outsiders pressure the church? It doesn't make any sense. Also, is peacemaker saying that BY was wrong to practice it? If so, congratulations peacemaker, you are almost there. Just admit that Joseph Smith was like a lot of crazy cult leaders over the years and wanted a little sex tax from his boys in the form of their wives and daughters and you will be better mentally. Dealing in reality is better than continually lying to oneself.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Keep it coming peacemaker. Stick around and try and convince us. Don't just make a testimony statement and run. Let's see why you think the way you do and let's see if you have all of the information and how you process it. My guess is that you either don't have all of the historical information or are turning a blind eye to some of it due to a desire to believe the unbelievable. An overactive desire to believe in something makes fraud victims of us all.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
“Peacemaker” seems to be making the point that the Church apostatised 14 years after it was restored.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
peacemaker wrote:Joseph Smith was a holy man and only practiced spiritual plural marriage. The prophet did "raise up seed" by having many spiritual children in the Lord. The doctrine of spiritual children is found in the Bible. Paul tells the Corinthians "I became your father through the gospel" 1 Corinthians 4:15. Paul referred to both Timothy and Titus as his "spiritual" sons 2 Tomothy 1:2, Titus 1:4. You blind anti-Mormons need to see the light. Repent!
Listen you dodo. The apostle Paul was not married and didn't touch the ladies at all. Everything he did was spiritual in a sense because he did not involve himself in the physical. But Joseph Smith did. He was very physical as was Brigham Young.
peacemaker wrote:Joseph Smith was a holy man and only practiced spiritual plural marriage.
According to Oliver, he practiced dirty nasty filthy scrape-iage.
And according to D&C 132, he was supposed to practice physical sex with his wives. Virgins, adultery, multiply and replenish the earth... these are terms that imply the involvement of earthly physical relations.
