DCP likens the protest against the Cody temple to Nazi antisemitism

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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:56 pm
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Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:39 pm
A tone deaf post from DCP considering the folks protesting the temple are otherwise his fellow National Review libertarians. That's on top of the tone deafness of DCP making the richest church on the planet out to be a victim.
People really need to do some diplomatic communication. It looks like there is a rush to extremes of rhetoric on both sides.
Before I jump to conclusions, aside from DCP, who is using extreme rhetoric? Do you mean this board, or something else?
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As to Nazi Antisemitism have residents of the area burned down LDS meeting houses? Is it forbidden for people to marry Mormons? I don't think so.
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Also, there are thoughts in this thread on the National Review. Say what you say, but William F. Buckley couldn't stand the Birchers. Barry Goldwater, too. They likely wouldn't give Ezra Taft Benson the time of the day. On YouTube the old black and white Firing Line With William F. Buckley and his guests who opposed his view are some of the best entertainment around.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:45 pm
Before I jump to conclusions, aside from DCP, who is using extreme rhetoric? Do you mean this board, or something else?
For one thing, some of the comments on that Facebook page for those opposing the temple looked pretty ugly.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:38 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:45 pm
Before I jump to conclusions, aside from DCP, who is using extreme rhetoric? Do you mean this board, or something else?
For one thing, some of the comments on that Facebook page for those opposing the temple looked pretty ugly.
Oh, I don’t use or look at Facebook any more, so I might’ve missed some extreme rhetoric examples.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:47 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:38 pm


For one thing, some of the comments on that Facebook page for those opposing the temple looked pretty ugly.
Oh, I don’t use or look at Facebook any more, so I might’ve missed some extreme rhetoric examples.
DCP is actively seeking out the worst examples to undermine the legitimate criticism of residents wanting to keep their night skies dark.

The church originally planned to keep the lights on 24/7. Now they’re considering turning them off sometime around midnight.
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Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:42 pm
The church originally planned to keep the lights on 24/7. Now they’re considering turning them off sometime around midnight.
Well, that's something!
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:42 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:47 pm


Oh, I don’t use or look at Facebook any more, so I might’ve missed some extreme rhetoric examples.
DCP is actively seeking out the worst examples to undermine the legitimate criticism of residents wanting to keep their night skies dark.

The church originally planned to keep the lights on 24/7. Now they’re considering turning them off sometime around midnight.
I know I’m preaching to the Cody choir, but why can’t the Mormons dim them earlier, and then turn them off a little later? Sometimes the Mormons can be so blundering and ham-fisted with behavior and pr. I’m sure Elohim would be fine with being accommodating and neighborly, no? It’s just pure ego to not be.

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“DCP” wrote: So what was I getting at with that remark about the idea of marking LDS-owned businesses in Cody with yellow stars? Just this: I can hardly imagine an idea more calculated than that one to sow lasting acrimony and discord in a community, and I hate and, yes, I fear religious bigotry. My comment was a warning: Don’t even come close to so noxious a move. Think of those who have done it in the past, and be warned.

My comment about those yellow stars wasn’t to portray the institutional church as a victim, but to speak out on behalf of ordinary Latter-day Saints, ordinary Cody families, who don’t deserve to lose their savings or their livelihoods or even to be financially harmed because of a controversy about the siting of a temple. They didn’t choose it and they didn’t design the building. Yet they would be the victims of an economic boycott aimed at their shops and businesses.

I doubt that very many folks in Cody are likely to sign on for a religiously-defined boycott against their neighbors and friends, perhaps against their dentist or their doctor. I certainly hope not. But such an idea shouldn’t even be floated, and, if it’s raised, it should be immediately shot down.
A religious boycott is precisely what is needed to get the Mormon church to change.

DCP, a famously staunch advocate for the power of the free market in deciding the value of everything for sale, now suddenly shirks away from the ideals when Mormon goods and services might be undervalued because of the sins of their church.

Isn’t it funny how everything in Mormonism gets deadly serious once money is involved? DCP is absolutely terrified that Mormons may suffer financial consequences for decades of fighting against marriage equality, decades of racist exclusion policies, decades of fighting against gender equality. Never forget how Mormonism (which is made up of Mormons) acted when it thought it had enough money and power to get away with it. There are no innocent bystanders when you join a church that is openly racist, sexist, and homophobic. An economic boycott is the most civilized and nonviolent way to fight against such bigotry.

So now it’s the Mormons turn to try and play victim. They see the success the LGBT movement has had and think it’s simple to flip the script and make themselves the injured party. Let’s see how well that plays out for them and their trillion dollar corporation.
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David Sanders on SeN comment section wrote:I wish this conflict could have been avoided and a compromise reached. In the end, this temple will be a source for contention, ill-will and animosity for many in Cody and Wyoming.

I think it's important to remember that LDS have precious few friends around the world and should probably avoid seeking to alienate many in Cody, who are deeply Christian.

This all could have been avoided. Most unfortunate for both sides.
DCP in 2006 wrote:I'm not sure why some Jews appear to be offended by Mormon temple service on behalf of Jews. Jews have precious few friends around the world. They should not be seeking to alienate Mormons, who are deeply philosemitic. Is it really not relevant that Mormons typically treat living Jews well, and are, by and large, enthusiastic supporters of Israel?"
https://www.salamandersociety.com/apolo ... 80305.html

Bravo David.
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