Anti-Mormonism, Another Take

[Kishkumen]

we are no longer dependent these days on hostile Christians who make a living tearing down Mormonism to find out what is going on.

How do we find out the details of what is going on in Mormonism these days? (And by details I mean the stuff the Church doesn’t want us to know).

Look at your smartphone, guy.

But seriously, there has always been an underground of Mormon documents being circulated around. My dad's spouse was formerly married to a fellow who got his hands on a lot of those documents. When he passed away, she let me and Don look at a bunch of them. So, it is not like Jerald and Sandra were the sole source of juicy forbidden documents out there.

[I Have Questions]

How do we find out the details of what is going on in Mormonism these days? (And by details I mean the stuff the Church doesn’t want us to know).

Look at your smartphone, guy.

But seriously, there has always been an underground of Mormon documents being circulated around. My dad's spouse was formerly married to a fellow who got his hands on a lot of those documents. When he passed away, she let me and Don look at a bunch of them. So, it is not like Jerald and Sandra were the sole source of juicy forbidden documents out there.

So insiders who steal Church documents and gossip them around are a more moral and acceptable source of information than, say, Sandra Tanner?

[Kishkumen]

So insiders who steal Church documents and gossip them around are a more moral and acceptable source of information than, say, Sandra Tanner?

I do not agree with people who attack one religion in the name of another religion.

[I Have Questions]

So insiders who steal Church documents and gossip them around are a more moral and acceptable source of information than, say, Sandra Tanner?

I do not agree with people who attack one religion in the name of another religion.

But you do agree with insiders stealing documents and gossiping them around, even if that harms their religion?

[Failed Prophecy]

So insiders who steal Church documents and gossip them around are a more moral and acceptable source of information than, say, Sandra Tanner?

I do not agree with people who attack one religion in the name of another religion.

Why are you incapable of answering direct questions?

[Kishkumen]

But you do agree with insiders stealing documents and gossiping them around, even if that harms their religion?

I am not playing these games with you regarding what is worse. I think attacking one religion in the name of another is worse, period.

[Kishkumen]

Why are you incapable of answering direct questions?

I have been answering questions. But I am not interested in endless games where people try to get me to compare all kinds of situations. It is tedious. I have been very clear about my position. I do not agree with people attacking another religion in the name of their own religion. I do think that is worse than squirreling away documents illicitly and gossiping. Yes.

[I Have Questions]

But you do agree with insiders stealing documents and gossiping them around, even if that harms their religion?

I am not playing these games with you regarding what is worse. I think attacking one religion in the name of another is worse, period.

I’m not game playing. I’m asking questions to understand you better. I confess to being surprised that you are so vehemently opposed to one religion attacking another, yet are quite relaxed and supportive of people who steal documents from their own religion and then gossip them around to the detriment of that religion. Personally I’m not seeing a significant difference in terms of end result, but perhaps the insider is being more dishonest in their behaviour. Open debate between religions is surely better from a moral viewpoint, than treason from within? I guess you don’t see your friends behaviour as treasonous, but it is. Now don’t get me wrong if it brings the Mormon Church to a better place, I’m all for it.

Edited to add: I see you’ve responded above. Fair enough. That’s how you see it. Personally, I don’t see it the way you do.

[Kishkumen]

I’m not game playing. I’m asking questions to understand you better. I confess to being surprised that you are so vehemently opposed to one religion attacking another, yet are quite relaxed and supportive of people who steal documents from their own religion and then gossip them around to the detriment of that religion. Personally I’m not seeing a significant difference in terms of end result, but perhaps the insider is being more dishonest in their behaviour. Open debate between religions is surely better from a moral viewpoint, than treason from within? I guess you don’t see your friends behaviour as treasonous, but it is. Now don’t get me wrong if it brings the Mormon Church to a better place, I’m all for it.

Edited to add: I see you’ve responded above. Fair enough. That’s how you see it. Personally, I don’t see it the way you do.

What other scenarios are you going to run by me? My patience is wearing thin. I think it should be obvious that increasing strife and bad feelings between religious communities is more detrimental in the big picture than underground document clubs.

[I Have Questions]

I’m not game playing. I’m asking questions to understand you better. I confess to being surprised that you are so vehemently opposed to one religion attacking another, yet are quite relaxed and supportive of people who steal documents from their own religion and then gossip them around to the detriment of that religion. Personally I’m not seeing a significant difference in terms of end result, but perhaps the insider is being more dishonest in their behaviour. Open debate between religions is surely better from a moral viewpoint, than treason from within? I guess you don’t see your friends behaviour as treasonous, but it is. Now don’t get me wrong if it brings the Mormon Church to a better place, I’m all for it.

Edited to add: I see you’ve responded above. Fair enough. That’s how you see it. Personally, I don’t see it the way you do.

What other scenarios are you going to run by me? My patience is wearing thin. I think it should be obvious that increasing strife and bad feelings between religious communities is more detrimental in the big picture than underground document clubs.

No more scenarios. I just found it interesting to explore what I saw as an illogical double standard in how you viewed things. I’ve concluded it’s not the act of attacking a religion that bothers you, nor the accuracy or validity of the attack, it’s who the perpetrators are that determines wether you find it acceptable or not. I’ve not come across that way of thinking very often.