Russell M. vs. board of psychology thought experiment

[I Have Questions]

Great thoughts, SaturdaysV, you're killing me. Great example bringing up the flight of doom and how that might relate to his other religious beliefs. I'll have to think about that one.

Total speculation to underscore the problem with saying we ever "knew" the church was true

I got really literal here in this thread and I probably shouldn't have put so much emphasis on specific wording.

Phrasing like "I know the Church is true" and the actual active belief that there is a man who lives near Kolob who created the world, aren't necessarily the same thing. Saying "I know the Church is true" is rote that they learned to say from the time they were small. It could be regarded as a figure of speech and not very meaningful. Some do get hung up on it and are given Packer's talk. Both my parents were equally devout believers and believed in the Church with the same self-flagellating intensity. My mom had no doubts about the Church, but she did doubt her testimony and didn't like to bear it because she wasn't sure she "knew". My dad would bear his testimony nonstop and with over-the-top conviction. It would be a dice roll to bet on one over the other over who would get farther on a lie-detector test.

Saying “I know the Church is true” seems to me to be a sort of pledge of allegiance rather than a statement about knowledge.