Mormonism has finally gone too far. It happened in Fairview.

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Re: Mormonism has finally gone too far. It happened in Fairview.

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu May 01, 2025 11:52 pm
Moksha wrote:
Thu May 01, 2025 10:21 am
The town council is violating residential building ordinances because the threat of an LSD lawsuit bullies them. The LDS Church has become the scourge of small-town America in terms of violating their residential building codes.
Mormonism has become a scourge of honest religion all together if there ever was such a reality......
What I said over on another thread.

Come in and rip a loud one as though it's meaningful. All it does is leave a stink.

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I don't believe a building will bring popularity. That's so part of the past. It's more and more an anemic attempt at justifying tithing, for courts and legacy members. If you build it, they won't come any more ...
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri May 02, 2025 2:27 am
I don't believe a building will bring popularity. That's so part of the past. It's more and more an anemic attempt at justifying tithing, for courts and legacy members. If you build it, they won't come any more ...
I think the temple will serve the members of the church in that area well. As do temples now dotting the earth.

Even if you're a disbeliever and a critic I think you would have to admit that Brigham Young had 'something going on' when he prophesied concerning the number of temples in the latter days.
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Brigham Young foresaw a time when not just one, but “thousands” of temples would be needed to accomplish the work of salvation for the living and the dead. He said, “To accomplish this work there will have to be not only one temple but thousands of them, and thousands and tens of thousands of men and women will go into those temples and officiate for people who have lived as far back as the Lord shall reveal”.

In an 1863 discourse, Young declared: “There will be hundreds of them [temples] built and dedicated to the Lord. This temple [Salt Lake] will be known as the first temple built in the mountains by the Latter-day Saints. And when the Millennium is over, and all the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve ... have been redeemed in hundreds of temples through the administration of their children and proxies for them, I want that [Salt Lake] Temple to stand as a proud monument of the faith, perseverance and industry of the Saints of God in the mountains, in the nineteenth century”.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu May 01, 2025 10:39 pm
Moksha wrote:
Thu May 01, 2025 10:21 am
The town council is violating residential building ordinances because the threat of an LSD lawsuit bullies them. The LDS Church has become the scourge of small-town America in terms of violating their residential building codes.
Looks like all is well that ends well. Approval with a 120 foot (above ground level) tower.

Interestingly the church is going to be involved in a local interfaith service project (organized by a Methodist congregation in nearby Allen). This may help demonstrate a commitment to community cohesion beyond the temple dispute.

It was a long road and it looks like both sides made some compromises.

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2025/04/3 ... ple-spire/

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To be precise, the council members caved because they were told they could not prevail in court. They voted against their feelings regarding the issue and will continue to resent the temple’s presence. That’s unfortunate, and I wonder whether an immediate offer to go with the current, smaller temple might have prevented the resentment from building to this degree.
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Sat May 03, 2025 10:07 pm
To be precise, the council members caved because they were told they could not prevail in court. They voted against their feelings regarding the issue and will continue to resent the temple’s presence. That’s unfortunate, and I wonder whether an immediate offer to go with the current, smaller temple might have prevented the resentment from building to this degree.
That part about ginning up the importance of the spire height seemed like a dishonorable tactic. Imagine having an entire LDS audience willing to lie on this point to buck up some legalistic idea generated by Kirton McConkie!

The pain of the town built on a dark skies covenant, having to endure the Las Vegas casino-like glare of the temple is sad.
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Moksha wrote:
Sat May 03, 2025 10:32 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat May 03, 2025 10:07 pm
To be precise, the council members caved because they were told they could not prevail in court. They voted against their feelings regarding the issue and will continue to resent the temple’s presence. That’s unfortunate, and I wonder whether an immediate offer to go with the current, smaller temple might have prevented the resentment from building to this degree.
That part about ginning up the importance of the spire height seemed like a dishonorable tactic. Imagine having an entire LDS audience willing to lie on this point to buck up some legalistic idea generated by Kirton McConkie!

The pain of the town built on a dark skies covenant, having to endure the Las Vegas casino-like glare of the temple is sad.
If some folks were involved in "lying for the lord", I hope that their consciences catch up with them at some point.
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Re: Mormonism has finally gone too far. It happened in Fairview.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri May 02, 2025 1:39 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu May 01, 2025 11:52 pm


Mormonism has become a scourge of honest religion all together if there ever was such a reality......
What I said over on another thread.

Come in and rip a loud one as though it's meaningful. All it does is leave a stink.

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I figured copying you was useful......
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun May 04, 2025 1:03 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri May 02, 2025 1:39 am


What I said over on another thread.

Come in and rip a loud one as though it's meaningful. All it does is leave a stink.

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MG
I figured copying you was useful......
This comment reminds me of something that happened at work years ago but I probably shouldn't repeat it in polite company.

But it was funny. Just as the comment you made above is hilarious :D .

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Moksha wrote:
Sat May 03, 2025 10:32 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat May 03, 2025 10:07 pm
To be precise, the council members caved because they were told they could not prevail in court. They voted against their feelings regarding the issue and will continue to resent the temple’s presence. That’s unfortunate, and I wonder whether an immediate offer to go with the current, smaller temple might have prevented the resentment from building to this degree.
That part about ginning up the importance of the spire height seemed like a dishonorable tactic. Imagine having an entire LDS audience willing to lie on this point to buck up some legalistic idea generated by Kirton McConkie!
Seriously. I was married in the Mesa AZ temple, without a spire. Even after the recent remodeling, the mesa az temple STILL has no spire!! It's incredibly dishonest to pretend now that spires are required.
The pain of the town built on a dark skies covenant, having to endure the Las Vegas casino-like glare of the temple is sad.
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Having spent a summer in that area visiting friends in the 1990s, I know a little about the goodness of the people in McKinney and Fairview. The city council and members of the community were nothing but patient, honest and generous. They received bullying, deception and rudeness in response. Shame.
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