Rethinking the AI "problem"

[Limnor]

My memory of Mormon on line folks is that MG despite frustrating qualities is generally more pleasant than a number stuck in my memory. I would not claim he to be the most gentlemanly. Philo was not ungentlemanly that I remember. The winner is momentarily slipping my mind. I am sure Philo remembers.

I've seen some online believers who are quite ... firm, shall I say. For example, characterising this board as a cesspit. I cannot imagine any of them participating here.

What’s funny is, this actually feels like exactly the kind of place Jesus would’ve spent time.

[Limnor]

I would be happy if MG were able to bring along some reinforcements, if that would make him feel better. OTOH, he may actually enjoy being the lone defender, in spite of the implications of his complaints.

Frankly malkie, my friend, I think you have a great deal of compassion and may feel compelled to help MG—I can appreciate that, but I’m not certain it is reciprocated or understood by MG as coming from a good place within you.

MG himself has said he is a “lone visionary” in these places, so yes you are probably seeing that correctly. I’ve said before that I feel real pity for him as I see it as a sort of trap—defending Mormonism is an impossible task that no one should envy.

[Gadianton]

It's kind of funny that I've never seen Whiskey and bill or Hound or any of the conservative posters that Whiskey thinks are cool setting the example by having a productive conversation with MG.

MG may be frustrating, but he's a far better example of a human being than anyone Whiskey gets along with.

[Whiskey]

It's kind of funny that I've never seen Whiskey and bill or Hound or any of the conservative posters that Whiskey thinks are cool setting the example by having a productive conversation with MG.

MG may be frustrating, but he's a far better example of a human being than anyone Whiskey gets along with.

Have you seen me saying what I believe you believe MG believes?

[Whiskey]

I thought I would ask AI why people use AI. Sorta insightful, frankly. Every one of those key reasons could be a unique thread. Well, I would except the word processor item as an interesting topic. Though, it damn sure is that. Just seems not relevant.



Seems all six apply. AI definitely hit the key points.

My take on all this.

AI is not the problem. Interest in the conversation is shallow and AI is the symptom. I think if there were less conversations about MG being a piece of crap, and less trolling of MG, you would see more content conversation and less noise. My further take, I don't think many folks are interested in any content from MG, they just want to s*** on him and they get a kick out of it.

Whiskey, your (apparently) AI-generated content should be moved to the AI megathread. If you don't move it, then I expect that a mod will do so eventually. I'll respond to the content of your comment, but I wanted to make sure first that you were aware that your use of AI is breaking the forum rules

Well. I introduced it as AI, not as my own content. Would it help if I made it into a picture with Spiderman or the Hulk? Feel free to report it and move it to a unique thread where you can legally respond to the content. Let me know where it goes. Thanks man.

[malkie]

Whiskey, your (apparently) AI-generated content should be moved to the AI megathread. If you don't move it, then I expect that a mod will do so eventually. I'll respond to the content of your comment, but I wanted to make sure first that you were aware that your use of AI is breaking the forum rules

Well. I introduced it as AI, not as my own content. Would it help if I made it into a picture with Spiderman or the Hulk? Feel free to report it and move it to a unique thread where you can legally respond to the content. Let me know where it goes. Thanks man.

It was a friendly warning/suggestion, as it appears that you are not familiar with this specific rule. I'm not going to report it, as I'm sure it will be moved in time without my bothering the mods. Perhaps I'm also breaking the rule by responding in this thread, and my comment will also be moved. I'm not sure that a picture, interesting though it might be, would help.

[Whiskey]

Well. I introduced it as AI, not as my own content. Would it help if I made it into a picture with Spiderman or the Hulk? Feel free to report it and move it to a unique thread where you can legally respond to the content. Let me know where it goes. Thanks man.

It was a friendly warning/suggestion, as it appears that you are not familiar with this specific rule. I'm not going to report it, as I'm sure it will be moved in time without my bothering the mods. Perhaps I'm also breaking the rule by responding in this thread, and my comment will also be moved. I'm not sure that a picture, interesting though it might be, would help.

Thanks for your responses. This one and the previous post.

The picture would satisfy compliance. Having AI make a picture with words is not against the rules. As long is it is just childish, rude, meme-ish, sidetrack, nonsense and not text form AI-words, it is compliant.

All the points are relevant. All subject to interpretation too.

[malkie]

I would be happy if MG were able to bring along some reinforcements, if that would make him feel better. OTOH, he may actually enjoy being the lone defender, in spite of the implications of his complaints.

Frankly malkie, my friend, I think you have a great deal of compassion and may feel compelled to help MG—I can appreciate that, but I’m not certain it is reciprocated or understood by MG as coming from a good place within you.

My motivation is partly based on a wish to help MG - whether he wants it or not I don't know - but mostly is simply to think about whether there's a root problem to the AI issue that might usefully be tackled. I don't actually hold out much hope for my proposal, but thought it was worthwhile to see if anyone wanted to kick it around a bit.

MG himself has said he is a “lone visionary” in these places, so yes you are probably seeing that correctly. I’ve said before that I feel real pity for him as I see it as a sort of trap—defending Mormonism is an impossible task that no one should envy.

Every so often I have a peek at "the other" board, where believers outnumber critics, but don't overwhelm them. I see a lot of productive discussion there, in addition to endless derails. I think that this board could benefit from being more balanced in individual viewpoints as well as in numbers. Additional believers would not only lighten the load of current believers here, but in my opinion would broaden and add depth as well.

[Limnor]

Frankly malkie, my friend, I think you have a great deal of compassion and may feel compelled to help MG—I can appreciate that, but I’m not certain it is reciprocated or understood by MG as coming from a good place within you.

My motivation is partly based on a wish to help MG - whether he wants it or not I don't know - but mostly is simply to think about whether there's a root problem to the AI issue that might usefully be tackled. I don't actually hold out much hope for my proposal, but thought it was worthwhile to see if anyone wanted to kick it around a bit.

MG himself has said he is a “lone visionary” in these places, so yes you are probably seeing that correctly. I’ve said before that I feel real pity for him as I see it as a sort of trap—defending Mormonism is an impossible task that no one should envy.

Every so often I have a peek at "the other" board, where believers outnumber critics, but don't overwhelm them. I see a lot of productive discussion there, in addition to endless derails. I think that this board could benefit from being more balanced in individual viewpoints as well as in numbers. Additional believers would not only lighten the load of current believers here, but in my opinion would broaden and add depth as well.

Ok I see your proposal a little more clearly now, though I’m not sure how it would work, practically.

Getting people to post at a place that they have condemned as filled with people of the blackest die is a tall order.

[malkie]

My motivation is partly based on a wish to help MG - whether he wants it or not I don't know - but mostly is simply to think about whether there's a root problem to the AI issue that might usefully be tackled. I don't actually hold out much hope for my proposal, but thought it was worthwhile to see if anyone wanted to kick it around a bit.

Every so often I have a peek at "the other" board, where believers outnumber critics, but don't overwhelm them. I see a lot of productive discussion there, in addition to endless derails. I think that this board could benefit from being more balanced in individual viewpoints as well as in numbers. Additional believers would not only lighten the load of current believers here, but in my opinion would broaden and add depth as well.

Ok I see your proposal a little more clearly now, though I’m not sure how it would work, practically.

Getting people to post at a place that they have condemned as filled with people of the blackest die is a tall order.

I may not have been clear, Limnor - perhaps I muddied the waters by mentioning the other board.

I wasn't suggesting trying to bring posters from there to this board. I agree that that's extremely unlikely. My original idea was for MG to find other TBMs who might enjoy a chance to hone their apologetic skills, and vanquish the infidels. Perhaps there are people in his ward/stake who might enjoy the challenge. In addition, any of us critics who have a good relationship with a TBM might likewise invite them to lurk for a bit, and then dip their toes in the murky waters.