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[_rcrocket]

I tried to make a post without 'any substance of any sort', but it wouldn't let me. I had to put something in - i chose a period.

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[_moksha]

Makelen, you might ask who Dunamis and Kemara really were and why they were never in violation of the rules.

[_Dr. Shades]

As for "glasnost," I fail to see that this forum lacks openness in any meaningful way. It is certainly no less open than Shades' board.

??? So "openness" is what you call banning anyone who disagrees with you or makes your prized apologists look bad?

Someone should ask Pahoran how many posters on FAIR/MAD have been banned from this bb (I would ask, but I'm banned from even viewing FAIR/MAD), and then compare that figure (which I'm sure is ZERO) to the number of posters here who have been banned from FAIR/MAD (which is SEVERAL). That should answer quite easily which forum is "less open" than the other.

Indeed. I have an entire weblog devoted to that very subject.

(by the way, you're right. We've banned a grand total of 0 people so far. Unless you count spam-bots, of course, but no actual humans have been banned.)

[_maklelan]

Mak, show me where FAIR/MAD has a rule that says a poster MUST register under a SPECIFIC nickname and no others. Because I never knew there was a rule that said I had to register as harmony and couldn't register any other nickname.

Thanks.

From their guidelines page:

Arguing with the moderators and/or any attempts to circumvent moderator actions are forbidden (creating multiple identities to avoid suspensions, cross-posting, etc.)

Maybe you should actually read the rules before you just go off and do whatever you want and then endlessly whine about the injustice that rains down upon you. You couldn't possibly compose a cogent argument that would ever make me think there is anything trustworthy or substantive in your posts. You have been shown to be grossly unprepared in every single attempt you have made to prove my initial judgment of your cause anything less than spot on. Are you going to continue to try?

I know you don't really care what I think, but I'd like to say something, and I hope others read it as well. Let me start by saying this is not directed specifically at you, harmony, but is a general critique that I think benefits everyone. I have had to face this reality myself. It seems to be a proclivity of many people on these boards to fight tooth and nail for a reputation of crafting powerful and impregnable arguments. The slightest show of weakness is avoided as if it were the black death. I have yet to see a single person on this board concede even one point. Even admiting a misunderstanding is evaded. When someone realizes they are in the wrong they abandon the thread, change the subject, or try to insist that they were misunderstood. I think that's a pathetic way to debate and a pathetic way for anyone to represent themselves. No one can be right all the time, and attempting to appear that way often leads people down ridiculous roads of self-justification and evolving character. You will notice that I have apologized to several people for a bad attitude and sometimes incomplete and weak arguments. You (general you, not just harmony) can call me wrong all you want, and sometimes you'll be right, but if you want anyone to respect your opinion or your cause (whatever it may be), you need to let go of the fallacy of thinking you can never be wrong. When people cannot do that, people will usually just assume that they're wrong.

[_maklelan]

Makelen, you might ask who Dunamis and Kemara really were and why they were never in violation of the rules.

Will that call down the thunder of victimhood upon me?

[_Yoda]

Well, when the faithful here are called arrogant, pompous asses all the time, and derided at every turn, with little effort to engage in focused substantive discussion, what the hell are they supposed to do.

Well, Plutarch, I can only speak for myself....but I've only called you an arrogant, pompous ass when you've acted like an arrogant, pompous ass.

I consider myself "one of the faithful" as well. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

;)

[_Yoda]

I know you don't really care what I think, but I'd like to say something, and I hope others read it as well. Let me start by saying this is not directed specifically at you, harmony, but is a general critique that I think benefits everyone. I have had to face this reality myself. It seems to be a proclivity of many people on these boards to fight tooth and nail for a reputation of crafting powerful and impregnable arguments. The slightest show of weakness is avoided as if it were the black death. I have yet to see a single person on this board concede even one point. Even admiting a misunderstanding is evaded. When someone realizes they are in the wrong they abandon the thread, change the subject, or try to insist that they were misunderstood. I think that's a pathetic way to debate and a pathetic way for anyone to represent themselves. No one can be right all the time, and attempting to appear that way often leads people down ridiculous roads of self-justification and evolving character. You will notice that I have apologized to several people for a bad attitude and sometimes incomplete and weak arguments. You (general you, not just harmony) can call me wrong all you want, and sometimes you'll be right, but if you want anyone to respect your opinion or your cause (whatever it may be), you need to let go of the fallacy of thinking you can never be wrong. When people cannot do that, people will usually just assume that they're wrong.

This is a good point for all of us to remember on both sides of the aisle. To be fair, though, Mak, the MAD/FAIR folks are just as dogmatic.

I agree that it is best for everyone to take a step back once in a while and breathe.

[_maklelan]

This is a good point for all of us to remember on both sides of the aisle. To be fair, though, Mak, the MAD/FAIR folks are just as dogmatic.

Don't worry, I'm well aware of that.

[_moksha]

Makelen, you might ask who Dunamis and Kemara really were and why they were never in violation of the rules.

Will that call down the thunder of victimhood upon me?

No, of course not (unless you chose to ask this question at MAD). The point was, that those who made the rules about puppets also readily broke the rules about puppets. Of course they had their reasons for doing so, but knowing that they exist might demonstrate that a fluid interpretation of the rules can easily be made. For example, Juliann wanted her anonymity as the moderator Dunamis (and only added Dunamis post total into her own when she realized her total posting crown was in danger from Charity). Pahoran introduced the character of Kemara, to add increased credibility to his argument that folks from a noncaucasian background were right happy with the Church and all its history and thought the idea of having an Apostle of Color was a bunch of hooey.

[_jayneedoe]

For example, Juliann wanted her anonymity as the moderator Dunamis (and only added Dunamis post total into her own when she realized her total posting crown was in danger from Charity). Pahoran introduced the character of Kemara, to add increased credibility to his argument that folks from a noncaucasian background were right happy with the Church and all its history and thought the idea of having an Apostle of Color was a bunch of hooey.

Whaattt?

Is this true Moksha?

Jaynee