Is a god who orders the killing of his children a monster?

[_harmony]

I'm not ignoring you. You bring in an issue to undermine the premise upon which I would like to discuss this issue. I want to discuss it within a certain context, not see who can propose their own context.

Now the truth finally comes out: you don't really want to discuss the issue at all. You want to discuss the issue in a certain context (as if the myths were real history), which is a construct you've invented, and you want to silence any debate outside of that construct. You realize that's not going to get you much discussion, right? Most people here find the holes in your basic argument right away (which is exactly what's happened).

You might want to establish the veracity of your basic premise before opening up a discussion based on a faulty foundation. Just a suggestion, which you will no doubt ignore, like The Dude's and Guy's.

[_harmony]

Where does it say God caused him to die?

It doesn't say he caused it or let it. I'm looking for an example that at least gives the cause of death.

That's not what you asked for. Are you changing what you asked for now?

It says water killed them. In the previous verse (27) it says "The Lord" overthrew them, not Moses.

So what does it mean the Lord "overthrew them"?

What do you think it means? I think it's pretty obvious what I think it means, since I used it as an example of God killing someone.

To a certain extent, yes. Otherwise, we're just puppets on a string.

That analogy doesn't work at all. We can do whatever we want while we're alive. How does that make us puppets?

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Because God can cut the string anytime he wants to.

[_asbestosman]

God causing someone to die:

"Remember Lot's wife" (Luke 17:32)
Heck, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen. 19).
Annanias and Saphria? (Acts5:4-10)

God letting someone die:
Uhhhh, Jesus on the cross (I'm pretty sure God didn't kill His Son).
St. Stephen who was stoned to death?
John the Baptist who was beheaded?
The people that Alma and Amulek watched get thrown into the fire in Ammonihah?
Lazarus (even though he was raised from the dead and subsequently killed again?
Just about anyone that God doesn't explicitly kill usually dies and therefore God let's it happen especially since He has power over death?

[_Roger Morrison]

Asbo-man said:

"Remember Lot's wife" (Luke 17:32)
Heck, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen. 19).
Annanias and Saphria? (Acts5:4-10)

How can we forget them? Like Grim's fairy-tales... To remember is one thing; to believe is another ;-)

And more:

God letting someone die:
Uhhhh, Jesus on the cross (I'm pretty sure God didn't kill His Son).
St. Stephen who was stoned to death?
John the Baptist who was beheaded?
The people that Alma and Amulek watched get thrown into the fire in Ammonihah?
Lazarus (even though he was raised from the dead and subsequently killed again?
Just about anyone that God doesn't explicitly kill usually dies and therefore God let's it happen especially since He has power over death?

Thanks for drawing it to attention. Really absurd isn't it!? Then some wonder why others want, "religion out of schools"? Take theistic refs out of public places? Thank "God" for secular sense!

If/when we get more of it, (secular sense) or "revised" vs "restored" Christology, maybe there won't be Bible totting leaders planning how to kill, plunder, supress and build wealth, all in the name Jesus.

Hypocracy just doesn't seem a descriptive enough word??? Warm regards, Roger

[_Zakuska]

Gen. 38: 7, 10
7 And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

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10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

[_Roger Morrison]

Gen. 38: 7, 10
7 And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

• • •

10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

More Jewish mythology. Not to be confused with human history, other than to record the thinking of those primitive minds in their time. Appreciated in that context... Roger