truth dancer wrote:I see little ridicule from members... mostly joking from LDS men hoping for the day. :-(
When me and those I know joke about having honey-do lists x 7 PMS x 7 and of course morning sickness x 7 do you really think we're looking forward to it?
So, if someone doesn't know they are being degraded it is fine?
Do you think all the slaves of the world considered themselves degraded?
Is it ok to abuse the children of the world because they do not understand they have the right to live with care and love?
Of course not. However, I do not believe this is the situation my ancestors found themselvs in.
The personal accounts of which I am personally aware... ALL speak of desperate, depressed, heart broken, suffering, sorrowful women who felt way beyond degraded.
Then perhaps me and others like me speak out of ignorance. Either way rest assured none of us (those like me) really looks forward to polygamy.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Oh good grief! Just get down to the business of obeying the command in Proverbs 5:18-19 (LDS doctrine) already! That is the solution to all problems in this matter. Of course there is another requirement that has to be met......
beastie wrote:I'll tell you the "joke" that irritates me no matter who makes it - and it almost always pops up - referencing seeing the pictures of the polygamist wives and then joking that sexual desire could NOT be involved.
It irritates me because the pictures were usually taken later in their lives, when they'd been through the ringer for decades. Many of these women (at least Joseph Smith and BY's wives) were noted to be very attractive women in their youth. How about we all post our pictures when we're at the end of our lives and let everyone joke about how no one could possibly be sexually attracted to us, either?
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That one always bugged me too!!! We know Zina was beautiful from the words of her husband Henry Jacobs, who actually wished she hadn't been so attractive because of the other men (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young...) who aggressively pursued her. Poor guy. Then there is the photograph of Ann Eliza Young in her biography"Wife No. 19" who was very pretty in the photographs taken, even in her older age. I would bet most of the polygamist women were very attractive in their younger years of Nauvoo polygamy, along with Fanny Alger during the Kirtland period.
"Happiness is the object and design of our existence... That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another." Joseph Smith
bcspace wrote:Oh good grief! Just get down to the business of obeying the command in Proverbs 5:18-19 (LDS doctrine) already! That is the solution to all problems in this matter. Of course there is another requirement that has to be met......
Welcome, bcspace! I guess Joseph should have listened to you.
When me and those I know joke about having honey-do lists x 7 PMS x 7 and of course morning sickness x 7 do you really think we're looking forward to it?
If it's not something to look forward to, how could it possibly be heaven?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
When me and those I know joke about having honey-do lists x 7 PMS x 7 and of course morning sickness x 7 do you really think we're looking forward to it?
If it's not something to look forward to, how could it possibly be heaven?
Beauty of heaven. Honey-do lists can be handled by speaking and looking and seeing that it is good. I assume PMS will NOT be there. Pregnancy will be a painless breeze. With eternity and an infinite amount of time to do anything and everything I don't think I'd have a problem with polygamy or polyandry. At any moment being omniscient I'll know exactly how a woman feels about me so what jealousy or envy could exist?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:At any moment being omniscient I'll know exactly how a woman feels about me so what jealousy or envy could exist?
Just imagine, when I'm omniscient my wife can finally expect me to read her mind instead of saying, "well, if you don't know what's wrong then I'm certainly not going to tell you!"
By the way, I'm lucky. She doesn't play those kind of mind games with me anyhow.
I also asked her and she said that she thinks polygamy is often associated with abuse but is not necessarily abusive or degrading in and of itself.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Only if he was monogamous, which we know he wasn't. THere is mention of only one wife.
Out of context. From the Old Testament we see that God does authorize plural marriage from time to time. Therefore the command can be obeyed no matter how many wives one has.