John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

[_Equality]

lol. Equality ([real name deleted]) can't stop talking about John Dehlin....and then wants to claim that John Dehlin is an attention seeker.

I'll say it again. If you want less John Dehlin drama, try no longer contributing to these threads. Otherwise you are making fools of yourselves. We're all tired of it.

Oh...and a link for you, [real name deleted]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

Napoleon complex
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

British propaganda of the time promoted the idea that Napoleon was short. In reality, his height was average for the period.
Napoleon complex, or "short man syndrome", also found in short women, is a pejorative slang term describing a type of psychological phenomenon which is said to exist in people, usually men, of short stature. It can also be pronounced as 'Napoleonic Complex'. [1] It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behaviour, and carries the implication that such behaviour is compensatory for the subjects' stature. The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives. Other names for the term include Napoleon syndrome[2] and Short Man syndrome.[3]

The Napoleon complex is named after Emperor Napoleon I of France. The conventional wisdom is that Napoleon compensated for his lack of height by seeking power, war and conquest. Though he was long reported to have stood at only 5 ft 2 in (1.57 m),[4] historians have now suggested Napoleon was actually 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m) tall. Napoleon was often seen with his Imperial Guard, which contributed to the perception of his being short because the Imperial Guards were above average height.[5] In psychology, the Napoleon complex is regarded as a derogatory social stereotype.[6]

[_mormonstories]

Equality/[real name deleted],

I'm proud of my work with Mormon Stories. There's nothing you can do to shame me for it. Please show us your contributions to Mormonism over the years. Perhaps you've done things you are proud of too.

And I'll say it again -- if folks are tired of John Dehlin drama, then stop contributing to these threads.

[_Mayan Elephant]

In psychology, the Napoleon complex is regarded as a derogatory social stereotype.[6]

says the taller texan psychologist to the shorter texan.

you cannot make this stuff up. it writes itself.

[Guest]

Natasha is the chairman of the board of the Open Stories Foundation. She started the MMHA as an Open Stories Foundation project (with the board's blessing) and eventually her plan is to spin it off as its own foundation. There is absolutely ZERO anyone is hiding here. Right now with internship I am simply too busy to be directly involved -- I couldn't even make the opening conference.

this paragraph just does not stop giving.

Natasha Helfer Parker, [mormonstories] will be hosting a 6 hour workshop for current, mixed-faith, and former Mormon couples who are navigating faith issues, parenting, and sexuality in either a mixed-faith, post-orthodox, or a post-Mormon context. Couples and individuals are welcome to attend, but the content will be oriented towards helping married couples deal with faith transition issues. Topics for the workshop will include:

-- Navigating a personal faith transition
-- Navigating faith differences between believers and non-believers in a marriage
-- Raising healthy/moral children in mixed faith, post-orthodoxy, or post-Mormon family
-- Communicating with children and extended family during a faith transition
-- Navigating sexuality in a post-orthodox world
-- Spirituality after losing some or all of one’s religious faith

Details can be found here:

http://mormonstories.org/marriage-and-f ... gi-dehlin/

the mental health association was created in june, and hosting conferences with [mormonstories] the next month. again, this is the sort of obfuscation that rosebud was referencing. it is hard to pin down the clintonesque methods and it hardly seems worth it, especially when doing so is met with such derision. i can only imagine what it must be like for an ex business partner to be on the other side of this.

[Guest]

the mental health association was created in june, and hosting conferences with dehlin the next month. again, this is the sort of obfuscation that rosebud was referencing. it is hard to pin down the clintonesque methods and it hardly seems worth it, especially when doing so is met with such derision. i can only imagine what it must be like for an ex business partner to be on the other side of this.

[real name deleted] - What's the charge re: the MMHA? I honestly have no idea what you are alleging. Is it wrong to start a mental health association? Is it wrong to hold a workshop? What are the charges?

And again...[real name deleted] wants to make charges re: Dehlin-drama, and yet all he can do is talk about Dehlin.

"This stuff writes itself. Hilarious."

If you don't want Dehlin drama, stop causing Dehlin drama. You seem obsessed.

[_Craig Paxton]

TL;DR

Coming to this party late...can someone sum up why this topic is getting so much attention?

[_Arrakis]

TL;DR

Coming to this party late...can someone sum up why this topic is getting so much attention?

Somebody posted Dehlin's name
Mayan Elephant's Dehlin Obsession kicked in

....my two cents worth

[Guest]

the mental health association was created in june, and hosting conferences with dehlin the next month. again, this is the sort of obfuscation that rosebud was referencing. it is hard to pin down the clintonesque methods and it hardly seems worth it, especially when doing so is met with such derision. i can only imagine what it must be like for an ex business partner to be on the other side of this.

What's the charge re: the MMHA? I honestly have no idea what you are alleging. Is it wrong to start an mental health association? Is it wrong to hold a workshop? What are the charges?

i am simply pointing out the obfuscations and evidence of what rosebud was suggesting. on the one hand, you have no part of mmha and on the other hand you do. starting a mental health association is not, in isolation, wrong. neither is holding a workshop. but, as has been discussed, there are some serious ethics issues when you have a conflict that is not disclosed.

as for the obsession accusation. i understand why you might think that. but i think you are making an incorrect assumption about what it is i am actually discussing or identifying here and at one other location. open stories is free to establish conflicting businesses and hide these conflicts. i am free to point them out in communities where i actually have an interest, have friends, and see the consequences. not everyone has to agree with me or read my comments, as you suggest. but at the same time, i do not have to sit idle and watch it just because you are bullying people or obfuscating. we can agree and disagree, as i told you privately many many times. i have suggested that there needs to be cooperation if there is going to be any progress regarding unorthodoxy, you seem to disagree with that too. so maybe there will be progress in conflict, who really knows.

[_mormonstories]

i am simply pointing out the obfuscations and evidence of what rosebud was suggesting. on the one hand, you have no part of mmha and on the other hand you do. starting a mental health association is not, in isolation, wrong. neither is holding a workshop. but, as has been discussed, there are some serious ethics issues when you have a conflict that is not disclosed.

as for the obsession accusation. i understand why you might think that. but i think you are making an incorrect assumption about what it is i am actually discussing or identifying here and at one other location. open stories is free to establish conflicting businesses and hide these conflicts. i am free to point them out in communities where i actually have an interest, have friends, and see the consequences. not everyone has to agree with me or read my comments, as you suggest. but at the same time, i do not have to sit idle and watch it just because you are bullying people or obfuscating. we can agree and disagree, as i told you privately many many times. i have suggested that there needs to be cooperation if there is going to be any progress regarding unorthodoxy, you seem to disagree with that too. so maybe there will be progress in conflict, who really knows.

Natasha came to me and told me of her desire to start the MMHA a few months ago. We voted on it as a board and it was approved (me, DanW, Natasha). Natasha has consulted with me a handful of times about how she wants to set things up, but it's largely her baby. I have almost zero time to spend on it in the next year. Maybe after.

That's the full truth about it. Anyone is free to ask Natasha about this. I am happy to go on the record. We have nothing to hide.

This feels like [real name deleted] and [real name deleted] crazy town conspiratorial allegations with zero substance.

As for the other stuff -- feel free to keep talking about me, and obsessing about me. I'll just say what I keep saying....all the John Dehlin drama is pretty tiresome to pretty much everybody, and my experience is that you, [real name deleted] (Equality) and [real name deleted] (Rosebud) are addicted to John Dehlin drama...and that everyone else is pretty tired of it.

Feel free to continue obsessing about my life and decisions if that's what your life is about...but I kindly suggest that there's a big, beautiful world out there...and many more productive ways to spend one's time.

But it's your call, obviously.

[_Equality]

I have this to say to the guy in the gray Toyota with no license plate: I will never participate in a staged paparazzi shot. You have the wrong celeb. Unfortunately for you, as a result of your stalking, you will continue to get the same boring shot of me leaving yoga class because other than growing a child and preparing blissfully for his arrival, I don't have much going on at the moment. So... I take yoga classes. Lots of them.

But just so you know, I AM going to the Horrible Bosses premiere on the 30th, where I will walk the red carpet. Feel free to show up there. I won't be in my yoga clothes and will be showing my bump off proudly for any photographers who go through the respectful channels to "get a good shot".

Translation: "Quit taking my picture! Please come take my picture!"