If you want to start a thread about the posters you admire most, I hope you will feel free to do so. I am sure many people will want to join in the fun!
My gosh. Someone makes a recommend to two (three, actually) on-board resources and you can't let go of it, wth. You've created an entire sub topic about it on this thread. Again, wth.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
The Saul of Tarsus story reads a lot like a faith-promoting testimonkey. Heavy on the feels, and light on the realz.
Good thing Mr. Saul met, and conversed with Jesus Christ, amiright?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The Saul of Tarsus story reads a lot like a faith-promoting testimonkey. Heavy on the feels, and light on the realz.
Good thing Mr. Saul met, and conversed with Jesus Christ, amiright?
- Doc
He never met Jesus the Christ in the flesh. He claimed to have encountered the resurrected Christ. His entire body of work (well, this is my opinion) has to do with testifying to that encounter, inspiration, affirmation/support, criticisms, and growing the church to the Gentiles.
Paul was a church planter. His entire ministry was about growing the church and his story isn't about documenting the earthly life of Jesus. His story is one of transformation.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The Saul of Tarsus story reads a lot like a faith-promoting testimonkey. Heavy on the feels, and light on the realz.
Good thing Mr. Saul met, and conversed with Jesus Christ, amiright?
- Doc
He never met Jesus the Christ in the flesh. He claimed to have encountered the resurrected Christ. His entire body of work (well, this is my opinion) has to do with testifying to that encounter, inspiration, affirmation/support, criticisms, and growing the church to the Gentiles.
Paul was a church planter. His entire ministry was about growing the church and his story isn't about documenting the earthly life of Jesus. His story is one of transformation.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken there was some early Christian powerplays between Mr. Saul and others. I liken Saul to BY, in that he assholed his way into the narrative, and eventually made a living on the new enterprise.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Jersey Girl wrote: Josephus is one, but I think people challenge his references as inauthentic.
They do. And with good reason, in my opinion. I'm aware of the Testimonium. My understanding is Josephus was not actually a contemporary of Jesus, so that puts him more in the category of Paul. Early, but never met Jesus.
I meant specifically the various priestly casts of Judaism at the time. Certainly, given what was going on, there would be mention of this Jewish Rabbi/Miracle Worker somewhere among his fellow Jews?
Jersey Girl wrote: Josephus is one, but I think people challenge his references as inauthentic.
They do. And with good reason, in my opinion. I'm aware of the Testimonium. My understanding is Josephus was not actually a contemporary of Jesus, so that puts him more in the category of Paul. Early, but never met Jesus.
I meant specifically the various priestly casts of Judaism at the time. Certainly, given what was going on, there would be mention of this Jewish Rabbi/Miracle Worker somewhere among his fellow Jews?
I wouldn't know. Can you point me to the writings of Jewish historians or scholars that wrote about faith healers and potential prophets that forward a theology other than their own?
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Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote: Josephus is one, but I think people challenge his references as inauthentic.
They do. And with good reason, in my opinion. I'm aware of the Testimonium. My understanding is Josephus was not actually a contemporary of Jesus, so that puts him more in the category of Paul. Early, but never met Jesus.
I meant specifically the various priestly casts of Judaism at the time. Certainly, given what was going on, there would be mention of this Jewish Rabbi/Miracle Worker somewhere among his fellow Jews?
Fionn, what Jewish commentaries of contemporary events from the first half of the first century have you reviewed? What did they find it important to discuss?
what Jewish commentaries of contemporary events from the first half of the first century have you reviewed? What did they find it important to discuss?
I haven't found anything. Hence my question. It occurred to me a while ago to look for such things, but this is not my area of historical exptertise. Perhaps that's why I'm having such a difficult time finding anything. I'm not certain where I should begin.