What is a spiritual experience?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:38 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:59 pm

You are defining the Jewish ritual of shuckling as "spiritual autism"? Could you explain what you mean by that, please?
That’s definitely not what I’m referring to. Moksha will have to defend that comment.

It’s not even funny on any level in my book.

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What did you mean by your comment?
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I struggled in church because often people would talk about feeling the spirit and I struggled to feel much of anything but later realised I had dissociation so I didn't exactly have a chance to feel the spirit. But strangely, nostalgia carries a little essence of spiritual feelings for me. So looking back on my time in church, although I know I didn't feel the spirit, I do get a sense that my life was more spiritual then than it is now and I expect that I will look back in another decade and feel this time is more spiritual.
This is what I would refer to as spiritual autism. In these cases, which I think are more common than one might think, I think God has other ways to nurture and speak to us. It sounds like you’ve seen/experienced this in your own life. It’s up to us to find that modality.

Some don’t bother to do so.

Just as there is an autism spectrum there is a spirituality spectrum.

In my opinion anyway...
It seems like you equated autism with "not bothering" to find your (as in, approved of by mentalgymnast's narrow belief set) god in your comparison of the autism spectrum with your "spirituality spectrum". Can you explain that?
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:37 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:47 am
Spiritual autism…really?
I’m bouncing off of what IWMP’s posts were saying. Yes, I think people respond to ‘the Spirit’ in different ways. We’re all different. Are you expecting cookie cutter responses to the Spirit or that God would interact with everyone in exactly the same way?

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MG
Mg, I think your observation about people responding to spirit in different ways makes sense. Your use of autism spectrum as a comparison carries associations that probably do not fit with your intention. Perhaps you could withdraw that and stick with variety of experience for a variety of people.
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:13 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:37 pm


I’m bouncing off of what IWMP’s posts were saying. Yes, I think people respond to ‘the Spirit’ in different ways. We’re all different. Are you expecting cookie cutter responses to the Spirit or that God would interact with everyone in exactly the same way?

Regards,
MG
Mg, I think your observation about people responding to spirit in different ways makes sense. Your use of autism spectrum as a comparison carries associations that probably do not fit with your intention. Perhaps you could withdraw that and stick with variety of experience for a variety of people.
It was one of the worst tone deaf comments I have read in months. Everyone makes comments that miss the target at times but this one baffles me as to why it didn't get screened before pushing submit.
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Marcus wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:45 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:38 pm


That’s definitely not what I’m referring to. Moksha will have to defend that comment.

It’s not even funny on any level in my book.

Regards,
MG
What did you mean by your comment?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:17 am

This is what I would refer to as spiritual autism. In these cases, which I think are more common than one might think, I think God has other ways to nurture and speak to us. It sounds like you’ve seen/experienced this in your own life. It’s up to us to find that modality.

Some don’t bother to do so.

Just as there is an autism spectrum there is a spirituality spectrum.

In my opinion anyway...
It seems like you equated autism with "not bothering" to find your (as in, approved of by mentalgymnast's narrow belief set) god in your comparison of the autism spectrum with your "spirituality spectrum". Can you explain that?
Already did. I’ll repeat.
This is what I would refer to as spiritual autism. In these cases, which I think are more common than one might think, I think God has other ways to nurture and speak to us. It sounds like you’ve seen/experienced this in your own life. It’s up to us to find that modality.
In no way am I disparaging those that have autism. Autism is real and it resides along a spectrum.

Just as teachers and those that work with find different modalities to work with and communicate and nurture those along the autism spectrum I believe that God also finds means and methods to work with and nurture those that may be more or less responsive to traditional modes and means of receiving and acting upon the influence of the Spirit.

When we seek the spirit in our lives some of us may find that one modality works better than another for us. We reside along a spectrum.

I find it interesting that some of you are jumping to unwarranted conclusions. But I’m not surprised.

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MG
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:13 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:37 pm


I’m bouncing off of what IWMP’s posts were saying. Yes, I think people respond to ‘the Spirit’ in different ways. We’re all different. Are you expecting cookie cutter responses to the Spirit or that God would interact with everyone in exactly the same way?

Regards,
MG
Mg, I think your observation about people responding to spirit in different ways makes sense. Your use of autism spectrum as a comparison carries associations that probably do not fit with your intention. Perhaps you could withdraw that and stick with variety of experience for a variety of people.
I hope I’ve clarified things for you.

Regards,
MG
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Rivendale wrote:
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:13 pm
Mg, I think your observation about people responding to spirit in different ways makes sense. Your use of autism spectrum as a comparison carries associations that probably do not fit with your intention. Perhaps you could withdraw that and stick with variety of experience for a variety of people.
It was one of the worst tone deaf comments I have read in months. Everyone makes comments that miss the target at times but this one baffles me as to why it didn't get screened before pushing submit.
If you continue to lack complete understanding of what I’m attempting to get across please ask for more clarification if you feel the need to do so.

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MG
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Autism is real and it resides along a spectrum.
the things you kids come up with. So, MG, if you believe in spiritual autism, because autism is real, do you also believe in spiritual schizophrenia? That would be people who see things and experience things that aren't really there.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:29 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:45 pm

What did you mean by your comment?

It seems like you equated autism with "not bothering" to find your (as in, approved of by mentalgymnast's narrow belief set) god in your comparison of the autism spectrum with your "spirituality spectrum". Can you explain that?
Already did. I’ll repeat.
This is what I would refer to as spiritual autism. In these cases, which I think are more common than one might think, I think God has other ways to nurture and speak to us. It sounds like you’ve seen/experienced this in your own life. It’s up to us to find that modality.
In no way am I disparaging those that have autism. Autism is real and it resides along a spectrum.

Just as teachers and those that work with find different modalities to work with and communicate and nurture those along the autism spectrum I believe that God also finds means and methods to work with and nurture those that may be more or less responsive to traditional modes and means of receiving and acting upon the influence of the Spirit...
Yes, equating your assumptions about other people and how they fit in your imaginary spiritual spectrum with experiences of those on the autism spectrum is disparaging. Please stop.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:32 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:17 pm


It was one of the worst tone deaf comments I have read in months. Everyone makes comments that miss the target at times but this one baffles me as to why it didn't get screened before pushing submit.
If you continue to lack complete understanding of what I’m attempting to get across please ask for more clarification if you feel the need to do so.

Regards,
MG
Chose your metaphors with more humility despite your intent. For example.
The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) defines "off the reservation" as a metaphor that means to behave unexpectedly or independently, or to deviate from what is customary or expected.
Some people have no qualms using this phrase and part of the justification is the OED is clear on its definition. Whatever meaning they intend is lost in the inability to read the room.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:29 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:13 pm
Mg, I think your observation about people responding to spirit in different ways makes sense. Your use of autism spectrum as a comparison carries associations that probably do not fit with your intention. Perhaps you could withdraw that and stick with variety of experience for a variety of people.
I hope I’ve clarified things for you.

Regards,
MG
MG, I do not know what you clarified. Your basic idea, different people experience spirit differently, is clear. It then becomes completely muddled with the autism comparison. Please reconsider. It is as if you are choosing a way of presenting your idea designed to make yourself a target. Look at the responses. Surely you did not wish to set your self up as a punching bag, No need to be stubborn , your intention was ok, it carried unintended consequences however.
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