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Well you're wrong on two important counts here, which shows you must have caught Scratch's disease for inaccuracy, thus:

GIMR wrote:We have two completely insane TBMs on here in the form of Ray (well, we're not quite sure what he is, he changes religon like days of the week underwear)


I have belonged to precisely two religions: Catholicism and Mormonism. Catholicism was the religion I was born into, and Mormonism was the religion of my choice. Would you care to tell us how many religions/churches you have belonged to?


GIMR wrote:Ray is still in the running, let an exmo email him privately and tell him something nice we might see a different person tomorrow), and all Wade's "skillz" are not available right now.


Exmos have and still do email me and always say nice things. I have had a five year regular correspondence with a former RFMer and we are quite good friends. His planned visit was aborted recently, but we plan to meet in the near future. None of this has changed my views on most "Internet exmos". His sister is still an active Mormon and I have encouraged her, by email, to keep her faith.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Ray A wrote: That was the standard line to me on RFM - "get professional help".


Well if several people have said it, maybe you should consider it. I'm sure those close to you (a.k.a. within earshot) would really appreciate it.


Those "close to me", friends and relatives, have a high opinion of me, sorry to shatter your illusion. In fact, I am the one often giving them advice, and when necessary counselling, one of the benefits of having been a bishop for three years and dealing with many people's personal and family problems.
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Thus the thread "the MANY FACES OF RAY A".

Ray shows to certain people certain faces. I'm sure all of these people who have all these sugary sweet things to say about him would be very surprised to read his threads, whereas those who know me would not be surprised at my posts. I say what I think.

Ray, I have been a Christian since age 17. I have only known what that means the past four years or so. I was raised between a Jewish and Christian grandmother. There are approximately nine faiths in my extended family.

You still have failed to point out to the folks on MoDiscussions where exactly I have bashed the church or its members. You have a plethora of posts from both MAD and here. When are you going to point out my depratity? Or are you too busy, just as you are too busy to back up all the other accusations you make against folks like Scratch?

Ray, you have as much credibility as the garbage my co-workers pick up each day. As does Cog. If people like your presence, it's because they like the asses you two make of yourselves. You are not deserving of the same respect that a TBM like Gaz is. You're both vulgar and mean, and your ignorance has been your embarassment time after time. Your "salvation" has been Shades' grace in that he doesn't ban people who at least 1% of the time act as if they are not trolls.

When you recover your mind, you can come and tell us all about the wonderful journey you've been on to emotional/religious/psychological disturbia. Hopefully one day you will realize that God does not hate you, and you need not hate yourself, hence there is no need to hate the portion of the world that doesn't bend over backwards to validate you.

Whoops! Did I just bash the Mormon church again? Is this what you mean by bashing the church? My open criticism of your behavior? Again, Branch Davidianism anyone?

Give it a week. Ray will be telling us he's the new prophet.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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GIMR wrote:You still have failed to point out to the folks on MoDiscussions where exactly I have bashed the church or its members. You have a plethora of posts from both MAD and here. When are you going to point out my depratity? Or are you too busy, just as you are too busy to back up all the other accusations you make against folks like Scratch?


You want a few?:

The LDS faith is nothing but a Mosaic mutation. Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:11 pm


don't want your cut and paste crap, BCSpace. I want something I can hold in my hand and read...from cover to cover...and draw my own conclusion. Folks like you are afraid of that, that's why you follow your church's example of trying to control what people read, say, and do. Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:20 pm


Read: TBMs are all controlled and don't think for themselves, and they in turn try to control people.

Apparently you harbour the same bitterness Scratch does:

Well congratulate me. DCP and his cronies had me hacked from the "non thinking" board. I figured it was only a matter of time, as now I'm willing to speak my mind instead of run from Juliass and her crew. Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:01 pm


Do you really think Gaz is a good TBM?:

Gaz, I think you're just joking, you can't be as bigoted as you are purporting yourself to be. Have you been drinking from the same water source as Wade? Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:12 pm


Apparently you respect TBMs conditionally.

Infymus, forgive Gaz for his myopic view. Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:22 pm


So this is the TBM you commented thus:

You are not deserving of the same respect that a TBM like Gaz is.


You have a penchant for calling people who do not agree with you "myopic":

Damnit Jason, I AM NOT EVANGELICAL in your myopic sense!!!!! Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:46 am


You're not reserved with insults or mockery:

What the $*% does freedom of religion have to do with anything? Was this kid one of this mishies spiritual husbands? Wait a minute...the church doesn't like gays. And how can the church say this kid wasn't under its control? Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:06 am


You hold many stereotypes of the Church, and those "poor souls" caught up therein. Your form of worship is a okay, but some Mormons are:

Um, there's nothing productive about your schoolyard chants, hon. You're just a little too enmeshed with your church, and your codependency thereon is showing.Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:07 pm


The self-righteous comments are abundant. But here's the real irony:

So, it's ok to come on here and call people names for not doing what you think they should do with their concerns. Very noble, Christlike, and intelligent. Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:11 pm


From the same person who calls Mormons "myopic".

More words for your favourite TBM:

Gaz, leave the children alone. They don't need to be burned by your prejudice and legalism. Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:04 pm


See, Mormons, even Gaz, are "mypoic", "leagalistic", "dependent on their Church", and "can't think for themselves". You only speak well of Gaz because he's nice to you, and for no other reason. But we know what you really think about the Church he belongs to.

You have quite a cartload of insults for others, and finding them isn't difficult. So when you are insulted.......

You could well take advice from your own words:


GIMR wrote:When you recover your mind, you can come and tell us all about the wonderful journey you've been on to emotional/religious/psychological disturbia. Hopefully one day you will realize that God does not hate you, and you need not hate yourself, hence there is no need to hate the portion of the world that doesn't bend over backwards to validate you.


You have already told us about your journey through emotional/religious/psychological disturbance. Do you feel validated?
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CaliforniaKid wrote:I disagree. I think Coggins brings some important balance to the board.


Who does he balance out? Since Ed Decker and Steve benson do not post here i seei him creating an imbalance of desparate reaching for the pro mo side.
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Blixa wrote:Still Jason, I think there's reason enough to keep trying for civil discussion, even loosely defined. This board does seem to offer a different kind of space than any others I'm familiar with...


I am all for it. Others seem unable. And someone like Daniel Peterson will not be treated civilly.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Blixa wrote:Still Jason, I think there's reason enough to keep trying for civil discussion, even loosely defined. This board does seem to offer a different kind of space than any others I'm familiar with...


I am all for it. Others seem unable. And someone like Daniel Peterson will not be treated civilly.


A bit of Hosea. For [he] hath sown the wind and [he] shall reap the whirlwind. Daniel cast his sarcasm-laced bread upon the internet waters. Why is anyone surprised that it has been returned to him, in spades? I'm not excusing Mercury or anyone else, but I'm not surprised by their posts. Daniel knows many of us from other boards, and we know him. People have long memories for the pain he inflicts, seemingly without thought or care. If Don is correct, what Daniel sees as humor, others feel as pain. It is impossible to believe he doesn't know this. The people he's hurt in the past often have just as hard a time as he himself has, at turning the other cheek. Were he to follow the steps of sincere repentence and live some of the basic steps of the gospel, no doubt he would be welcome here, at least by some who now view him with caution or distrust.
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harmony wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Blixa wrote:Still Jason, I think there's reason enough to keep trying for civil discussion, even loosely defined. This board does seem to offer a different kind of space than any others I'm familiar with...


I am all for it. Others seem unable. And someone like Daniel Peterson will not be treated civilly.


A bit of Hosea. For [he] hath sown the wind and [he] shall reap the whirlwind. Daniel cast his sarcasm-laced bread upon the internet waters. Why is anyone surprised that it has been returned to him, in spades? I'm not excusing Mercury or anyone else, but I'm not surprised by their posts. Daniel knows many of us from other boards, and we know him. People have long memories for the pain he inflicts, seemingly without thought or care. If Don is correct, what Daniel sees as humor, others feel as pain. It is impossible to believe he doesn't know this. The people he's hurt in the past often have just as hard a time as he himself has, at turning the other cheek. Were he to follow the steps of sincere repentence and live some of the basic steps of the gospel, no doubt he would be welcome here, at least by some who now view him with caution or distrust.


I prefer Jesus' words like "Judge not that ye be not judged...you are forgiven as you forgive...blessed are the merciful...blessed are the meek...pull the beam out of your own eye before you pull the mote out of the other persons eye.
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Post by _harmony »

Jason Bourne wrote:I prefer Jesus' words like "Judge not that ye be not judged...you are forgiven as you forgive...blessed are the merciful...blessed are the meek...pull the beam out of your own eye before you pull the mote out of the other persons eye.


You're preaching to the choir, Jason. I'm not sure Daniel is part of the choir though. Be ye therefore kind to one another is one of my favorite scriptures, and while I often try (and actually succeed on occasion) to comply with it, I understand the pain that causes someone to walk outside of that commandment. I'm not saying those who are unkind are right; I'm saying I understand where they're coming from. On both a macro and a micro level, Daniel is a target. If he wants to remove himself from the bullseye, he knows how to do that: no one's asking him to step down from his apologetics; all that is needed is for him to moderate his tone. I don't see either happening (that doesn't mean neither is happening. I just don't see it. If you see it, please point it out). Until either happens, though, he might just as well invest in some quality red paint, because he surely has a target painted on his back, a target he himself helped to paint.
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Post by _The Nehor »

Mercury wrote:
CaliforniaKid wrote:I disagree. I think Coggins brings some important balance to the board.


Who does he balance out? Since Ed Decker and Steve benson do not post here I seei him creating an imbalance of desparate reaching for the pro mo side.


Then who balances you and prevents a desperate reaching for the anti mo side?
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