“Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:28 pm
The question that I have is where did Robert Boylan get the very detailed idea that “Richard Boylan Nygren” was an AA apologist that lives in Birmingham, AL? And if Smoot and DCP knew who was behind Peter Pan, why didn’t they set the record straight? DCP admitted he knew who Peter Pan was, so why did he run with Boylan’s lie? These guys have some very serious explaining to do.

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Edit: not Boylan, rather Nygren, derp
I agree that the origin of this piece of misinformation is a key — perhaps the key — piece of evidence that we don’t have. The only source we have is one youtube video and it’s show notes. Either he fabricated it or someone else fabricated it.

Here’s what we don’t have: any evidence that Peterson heard was aware of what was said in that video or the show notes. The first evidence we have that Peterson ever heard about Nygren was Smoot’s comment at Sic et Non. And note that Smoot did not mention the word “black” or apologist in his comment.

So, no one has any evidence that Peterson was aware that Boylson had identified Nygren as black at the time he made the comment that folks are all worked up about.

Is there any evidence that the issue of who Peter Pan was of importance beyond a handful of posters on this board. Did anyone ever use Nygren’s alleged blackness as some kind of street creed for Peter Pan? Or is all we’ve got one YouTube interview and a show note, with zero evidence that Peterson was aware of the content of either?

The narrative being concocted is classic conspiracy theory thinking. Pseudonymous bloggers are a dime a dozen on the internet. Folks here only care about this particular one because they are obsessed with Mormon apologists. The narrative here works only if you assume a conspiracy based on nothing but dislike and distrust of Peterson.

Everything presented so far is perfectly explained by Peterson being told by Parker, in confidence, that Parker is Peter Pan and that Peterson kept the confidence.

In a blog post lampooning Scratch for his accusation and analysis that Smoot is Peter Pan, Peterson says that Peter Pan revealed his in real life identity to him, that it was, as he had earlier predicted, someone he already knew, and that it wasn’t Smoot.

In the comments to that selfsame blog post, Smoot says he heard from the YouTube video that Peter Pan was Richard Nygren from Alabama. He doesn’t say that Nygren is allegedly black, let alone the only apologist.

Peterson responds that he’s never heard of Nygren. He’s already said in the in the post being commented on, that Peter Pan is someone he already knew. To turn that into “perpetuating” the claim that a black apologist named Richard Nygren is beyond ludicrous. All you have to do is read the words, which say the opposite of what is being claimed.

The notion that Peterson had some duty to clear the record is also ludicrous. The “record” was one guy in a videotape partially repeated in a blog comment. All this comes down to a nitpicking claim that Peterson has some obligation to say “Peter Pan isn’t named Richard Nygren” despite the fact that what he said meant that Peter Pan could not be named Richard Nygren.

This whole notion that Peterson is a racist because he perpetuated a false claim that Peter Pan was black is a completely manufactured nontroversy.
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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:35 pm
Note here, Marcus quotes DCP from July 25th, 2022:

viewtopic.php?p=2793153#p2793153

As the goodly Dr. Scratch notes, DCP can’t keep his lies straight. His timeline shifts, and I think it does, because he’s lying about not knowing who Peter Pan was. I think he always knew, and I think the Neville Neville Land hit blog is an Interpreter/FAIR collaboration. It probably accounts for the syntax bearing resemblance to other Mopologist online posts. There’s definitely an editor involved with Mike Parker’s blog posts, but I can’t explain why lest I violate UR7, so I’ll leave it at that.

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Conspiracy theorizing at its worst.
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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:44 pm
Here’s what we don’t have: any evidence that Peterson heard was aware of what was said in that video or the show notes.
Stephen Smoot: "P.S., my understanding from listening to Robert Boylan's interview with Spencer Kraus is that "Peter Pan" is some fellow down in Alabama named Richard Nygren. But whoever this Mr. Nygren may be I cannot say. I have never met him, nor have I ever corresponded with him online.

I've never so much as heard of him. I briefly looked for him online, but found nothing. I'd like to think that he exists, though.
To me, this sounds like he looked for Richard Nygren after watching the video. It doesn’t seem like he’s hearing this Richard Nygren claim for the very first time in this comment.

From the context of the conversation it seems implied that when Peterson says he “briefly looked for him online” it was not because he just found out about it from Smoot’s comment.

I think it’s still possible DCP was completely unaware. I also think it’s possible DCP was intimately involved in NNL from the beginning. More evidence will inevitably trickle in as it always does slowly over time. And I do think we should be more careful with the claims we make before enough evidence is in.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:12 pm
TwoCumorahFraud wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:08 pm
My second post on here... I assume that's a compliment. thanks.. . not sure "what video from the BYP" means. :D

But I can assure you, I know the entire RLDS History of from 1844 to 1925 and how that Church's view of Book of Mormon geography led L.E. Hills to create his Two Cumorah theory restricted to Mesoamerica. Of course, he used "Central America." Hills didn't come up the the 2C idea. He clearly states it, in his books. An older RLDS member did.
It was a compliment. Here is the playlist for the videos I produce, I am the BYP = Backyard Professor, and I do podcasts, videos, live sessions with folks, and otherwise make myself obnoxious. :D

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... D8ouBx5x5O
Well, I'm not criticizing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, of which I'm an active member. I'm criticizing members who belong to it and have created private 501(c)(3)s to promote a fake Book of Mormon geography created by a member of another Church who died 100 years ago, which also believe(d) in The Book of Mormon. This is the United States of America. Members have a right to express their opinions. President Joseph Fielding Smith years ago, spoke out against the Two Cumorah theory restricted to Central America. (published in Doctrines of Salvation.) I hope you make a distinction between the Church and its members' opinions.
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One will note RI didn’t admit to being wrong or misunderstandinging what he was reading, and instead did a full play-by-play and then moved the goalpost to some other complaint. Typical RI lawyering. Have some humility, man.
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:44 pm
The notion that Peterson had some duty to clear the record is also ludicrous. The “record” was one guy in a videotape partially repeated in a blog comment. All this comes down to a nitpicking claim that Peterson has some obligation to say “Peter Pan isn’t named Richard Nygren” despite the fact that what he said meant that Peter Pan could not be named Richard Nygren.
I don’t think anyone thought DCP would correct the record given:
Peter Pan wrote:It’s been a source of much amusement for me the last few days to watch “Doctor Scratch” and his cohorts flail about aimlessly trying to determine my true identity and coming nowhere near the mark. Scratch is so convinced that I’m Stephen Smoot that every little piece of evidence, no matter how wrong, simply confirms his predetermined bias.


DanielPeterson > Peter Pan

I agree. It's been really funny to watch.
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:44 pm
This whole notion that Peterson is a racist because he perpetuated a false claim that Peter Pan was black is a completely manufactured nontroversy.
DCP follows this board obsessively. He’s free to set the record straight any time he wants, however he wants. Or not. Remember, he’s known Mike Parker’s identity for two years. It would’ve been a nothingburger to type out a sentence to clarify.

Anyway. I think your wishful thinking that these guys don’t talk to each other other than through little snippets on the public domain is far more in line with bad logic than accusing posters here of “conspiracy brain.” DCP and his cabal of liars have proven themselves over and over and over again of maligning people, lying, obfuscations, and tittering game playing. They, or we, are often trying to muddle our way through their lies and game playing. Sometimes people aren’t going to get it right, precisely because they like to mislead in order to leave open wiggle room for denials or gotcha games.

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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:46 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Huh. Another godlike presence we aren't allowed to notice?
Conspiracy theorizing at its worst.
:lol: :lol: :lol: ooh, at its very very worst. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:18 pm
One will note RI didn’t admit to being wrong or misunderstandinging what he was reading, and instead did a full play-by-play and then moved to the goalpost to some other complaint. Typical RI lawyering.
exactly.
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msnobody wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:16 pm
O/T Who of my in real life contemporaries could I tell, and they'd think I'm sane, that Peter Pan is unmasked as Mike Parker. Not a single one. Why are you here with those butterfly nets? Why are you wearing white? Is that a straight jacket? :lol:

I've become too emmeshed in Mormonism.
my sympathies, that might mean I am having the same feelings about these threads.(they are related somehow I think, lunatic antisemitism, heartland fanatics) Perhaps a bit of a walk outside will help. Anyway Msnobody glad you can confess to the feeling.
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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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“DCP” wrote: gemli: "I'm pleasantly surprised that you grasped my comment."
You might want to make some better comments soon. I'm losing my patience with you.

gemli:. "It would affect me the same way as it would if a being from Pluto were to appear at my front door with a basket of chewy space nuggets."

In other words, the neurochemical processes in the gemli-units brain ossified years ago.

Should I ban him?
Seems DCP is ready to take out his anger about the unmasking on poor Gemli.
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Re: “Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:23 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:46 pm
Conspiracy theorizing at its worst.
:lol: :lol: :lol: ooh, at its very very worst. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Shieeeet. I gots two UR7s from RI today. But, yeah. cOnSpIrAcY bRaInS. And I didn’t link any in real life information with a poster’s username here. :roll:

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