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Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:55 pm

Hey, stem. Have you read Burton L. Mack’s The Christ Myth? I think you might enjoy it. He has a different approach than Carrier, in that he does not address the likelihood that Jesus may not have been a real person. Instead, he deals with the mythologization of Jesus the person. I got it pretty cheap a few weeks ago, and so far I quite like it.

dastardly stem wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:53 pm

PseudoPaul wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:36 pm

The way you're framing this shows a complete lack of understanding of how scholarship works and your interest in your polemical goals as a propagandist.

Alright, thanks for the posturing. if you have a case for historicity, I'm all ears.

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:46 pm

A related tangent:

DCP has been making the argument (well just copying it from someone else like always) that if we take anything from ancient history seriously, we should also take the empty tomb story seriously.

He thinks that there’s enough wiggle room to get his lever into the gap made by the scholarly consensus that Jesus existed, to lift the entire hypothesis that Jesus must have been raised from the dead.

Thoughts?

Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:53 pm

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:46 pm

A related tangent:

DCP has been making the argument (well just copying it from someone else like always) that if we take anything from ancient history seriously, we should also take the empty tomb story seriously.

He thinks that there’s enough wiggle room to get his lever into the gap made by the scholarly consensus that Jesus existed, to lift the entire hypothesis that Jesus must have been raised from the dead.

Thoughts?

Obviously, there are zero probable naturalistic explanations on why someone's body wouldn't still be where it was buried. The most obvious explanation for every empty tomb is resurrection.

Incidentally, resurrected Egyptian man-gods are apparently a dime a dozen.

“DP” wrote: Michael R. Loveridge:. "When one is absolutely determined not to believe in the Resurrection, then any excuse, however ridiculous, will do."

Exactamente.

Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:53 pm

Obviously, there are zero probable naturalistic explanations on why someone's body wouldn't still be where it was buried. The most obvious explanation for every empty tomb is resurrection.

Incidentally, resurrected Egyptian man-gods are apparently a dime a dozen.

huckelberry wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:47 pm

Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:53 pm

Obviously, there are zero probable naturalistic explanations on why someone's body wouldn't still be where it was buried. The most obvious explanation for every empty tomb is resurrection.

Incidentally, resurrected Egyptian man-gods are apparently a dime a dozen.

Doctor Steuss,Ok , to argue that Jesus must have be raised from the dead because the tomb was empty would be a very weak proposal. Why even first century folks thought of alternative possibilities. But I do not really remember people claiming one should Jesus was brought back to a glorified life because of an empty tomb. It seems the idea got started from people seeing Jesus.

Dime a dozen Egyptians so memorable that their names just come to mind by the dozens. Perhaps they are relevant in much the same way drumdudes elderly erection observation connects.

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:46 pm

A related tangent:

DCP has been making the argument (well just copying it from someone else like always) that if we take anything from ancient history seriously, we should also take the empty tomb story seriously.

He thinks that there’s enough wiggle room to get his lever into the gap made by the scholarly consensus that Jesus existed, to lift the entire hypothesis that Jesus must have been raised from the dead.

Thoughts?

“Clueless SeN commenter” wrote: So, I assume it would be pointless to refer you to the many accounts of modern prophete and apostles
who testify they 've seen the Savior (thus proving His Resurrection)?

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... phets.html

“Kimball” wrote: I know that God lives. I know that Jesus Christ lives,” said John Taylor, my predecessor[sic], “for I have seen him.” I bear this testimony to you brethren in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

“LDS mag” wrote: George Q. Cannon, a counselor in the First Presidency to Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and Lorenzo Snow, claimed on several occasions to have seen Christ and to have conversed with him face to face.