Should the Dehlin/Rosebud drama be deleted?

[jpatterson]

Lol. Learn the rules.

Like all rules, they are subject to interpretation. I simply disagree with your take and believe you (and others) are using your narrow interpretation of the board rules as a crutch because you can't manage to disengage from the topic. Have some self control.

[jpatterson]

There’s a difference between criticising someone for some of the assertions they make, for some of the content they put out etc, and public accusations of serious criminality. Rosebud isn’t criticising the content put out by Mormon Stories, she isn’t criticising what the proprietor of Mormon Stories says. She is making unsubstantiated accusations about behind-the-scenes criminal wrongdoing. Obsessively. And she is using this board to do so. That is not what this public message board is about. In fact, it’s specifically against one of the board’s operating rules.

Distinction without a difference.

[jpatterson]

“Do not make threats or take actions to cause another member to feel harassed or fearful for his or her safety "in real life."

Rosebud is not making threats or accusations against another member.

She is making accusations against a public figure.

This really makes me want to reach out to Daniel Peterson and encourage him to create an account here and simply post "Hi, I feel unsafe." That would be hilarious. The pearl clutching going on here is mind-boggling.

[I Have Questions]

“Do not make threats or take actions to cause another member to feel harassed or fearful for his or her safety "in real life."

Rosebud is not making threats or accusations against another member.

Yes she is

She is making accusations against a public figure.

Who is a member of the board.

This really makes me want to reach out to Daniel Peterson and encourage him to create an account here and simply post "Hi" just so it will shut down every other thread that exists here.

There’s a difference between criticising and challenging someone’s religious beliefs and religious apologetics, and accusing them of criminality. Whether you accept that or not is immaterial.

So here’s a challenge for you. If you think Rosebud’s accusations should stand on this board, will you put up a personal guarantee to pay for any legal bills, fines etc that come Shades way as a result of them? A simple yes or no will tell us the courage of your convictions.

[jpatterson]

Rosebud is not making threats or accusations against another member.

Yes she is

She is making accusations against a public figure.

Who is a member of the board.

This really makes me want to reach out to Daniel Peterson and encourage him to create an account here and simply post "Hi" just so it will shut down every other thread that exists here.

There’s a difference between criticising and challenging someone’s religious beliefs and religious apologetics, and accusing them of criminality. Whether you accept that or not is immaterial.

What's immaterial is your distinction. If someone feels harassed, it doesn't matter in what form the harassment comes.

If Daniel Peterson was to become a member of this board, would you vote to shut down the constant posts about him if he felt harassed?

[jpatterson]

So here’s a challenge for you. If you think Rosebud’s accusations should stand on this board, will you put up a personal guarantee to pay for any legal bills, fines etc that come Shades way as a result of them? A simple yes or no will tell us the courage of your convictions.

Oh no. If I don't answer your challenge you will not believe I have courage of my convictions. Whatever will I do??

[IWMP]

“Do not make threats or take actions to cause another member to feel harassed or fearful for his or her safety "in real life."

Rosebud is not making threats or accusations against another member.

She is making accusations against a public figure.

This really makes me want to reach out to Daniel Peterson and encourage him to create an account here and simply post "Hi, I feel unsafe." That would be hilarious. The pearl clutching going on here is mind-boggling.

He has an account here. I doubt he is bothered. The thread makes him look innocent enough.

[jpatterson]

Rosebud is not making threats or accusations against another member.

She is making accusations against a public figure.

This really makes me want to reach out to Daniel Peterson and encourage him to create an account here and simply post "Hi, I feel unsafe." That would be hilarious. The pearl clutching going on here is mind-boggling.

He has an account here. I doubt he is bothered. The thread makes him look innocent enough.

Then, if we're going to censor Rosebud, I formally petition Shades to shut down anything I deem to be harassment of Daniel Peterson.

[IWMP]

Yes she is
Who is a member of the board.
There’s a difference between criticising and challenging someone’s religious beliefs and religious apologetics, and accusing them of criminality. Whether you accept that or not is immaterial.

What's immaterial is your distinction. If someone feels harassed, it doesn't matter in what form the harassment comes.

If Daniel Peterson was to become a member of this board, would you vote to shut down the constant posts about him if he felt harassed?

I think if people harassed DCP (or wrote masses of repetitive posts accusing him over and over) and he felt harassed then such posts should also be moved elsewhere and given less attention. I do feel for rosebud and I hope she can find the peace she needs but there is a lot, an awful lot, of masses of text and rants about him or connected to him. Whether he deserves it or not, I don't know.

[jpatterson]

I think if people harassed DCP (or wrote masses of repetitive posts accusing him over and over) and he felt harassed then such posts should also be moved elsewhere and given less attention.

There are masses of posts on the front page of this forum every single day. I believe that constitutes harassment.

If we're going to apply a rule, let's apply it fairly. Otherwise, the rule should be clarified for cases that involve public figures, as both Peterson and Dehlin are.

What's good for the goose...