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tagriffy wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:39 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:31 pm
It seems as though this is an unsettled question along with others.

But the fact remains, however one chooses to skirt around it, that it would have been very unlikely for Joseph Smith to have written the Book of Mormon on his own.

I again refer readers to this essay:

https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... y-sources/

A long read, but worth it.

[snip]

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Marcus and I raised red flags on Hales' essay, which notably you didn't really address. Further research research would probably only uncover more cheating on Hales' part. So the alleged unlikelihood of Smith's authorship doesn't rise to the level of verified fact.

Meanwhile, there is still the elephant that is not in the room: the is not one bit of credible physical evidence the Book of Mormon peoples ever existed. Without that, the weight of probability falls on the side of Joseph's authorship, no matter how unlikely you think he could have done it.
I would not expect that there would be incontrovertible evidence.

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tagriffy wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:39 am
Meanwhile, there is still the elephant that is not in the room: the is not one bit of credible physical evidence the Book of Mormon peoples ever existed. Without that, the weight of probability falls on the side of Joseph's authorship, no matter how unlikely you think he could have done it.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:44 pm

I would not expect that there would be incontrovertible evidence.
It’s not that there is no evidence that’s incontrovertible. It’s that there is no evidence.
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Morley wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:51 pm
tagriffy wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:39 am
Meanwhile, there is still the elephant that is not in the room: the is not one bit of credible physical evidence the Book of Mormon peoples ever existed. Without that, the weight of probability falls on the side of Joseph's authorship, no matter how unlikely you think he could have done it.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:44 pm

I would not expect that there would be incontrovertible evidence.
It’s not that there is no evidence that’s incontrovertible. It’s that there is no evidence.
There are areas in which there is less evidence than others. Believers would disagree with you in regards to the validity of evidence found along the spectrum of available evidence. We might determine that some things have a greater degree of evidentiary value than what you might concurrently view as being lessor or even non existent degree of value.

That’s the way things are.

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Morley wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:51 pm
tagriffy wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:39 am
Meanwhile, there is still the elephant that is not in the room: the is not one bit of credible physical evidence the Book of Mormon peoples ever existed. Without that, the weight of probability falls on the side of Joseph's authorship, no matter how unlikely you think he could have done it.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:44 pm

I would not expect that there would be incontrovertible evidence.
It’s not that there is no evidence that’s incontrovertible. It’s that there is no evidence.
Agreed. That's why efforts to (incorrectly) call things evidence of the Book of Mormon historicity are only published by LDS church based sources, and not even all of those. Academic, unbiased, and properly peer-reviewed venues have rules about what constitutes evidence, and Mormon apologetic efforts are notorious in their misuse of the term.
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Apparently, to these stupid Mormon yokels, just saying stuff is evidence because courts allow that kind of thing, or something. :roll:

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:28 am
Apparently, to these stupid Mormon yokels, just saying stuff is evidence because courts allow that kind of thing, or something. :roll:

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Answer me this. Why is it a one way street? Believers are yokels and you’re not? Is there such a thing as an atheist yokel? A secular yokel? An ex Mormon yokel?

Would you be able to detect one if there was?

Would you be able to detect that within yourself?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:39 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:28 am
Apparently, to these stupid Mormon yokels, just saying stuff is evidence because courts allow that kind of thing, or something. :roll:

- Doc
Answer me this. Why is it a one way street? Believers are yokels and you’re not? Is there such a thing as an atheist yokel? A secular yokel? An ex Mormon yokel?

Would you be able to detect one if there was?

Would you be able to detect that within yourself?

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MG
You’re a stupid damned Mormon yokel because that’s literally what you are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
You’re a stupid damned Mormon yokel because that’s literally what you are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:44 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:39 am


Answer me this. Why is it a one way street? Believers are yokels and you’re not? Is there such a thing as an atheist yokel? A secular yokel? An ex Mormon yokel?

Would you be able to detect one if there was?

Would you be able to detect that within yourself?

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MG
You’re a stupid damned Mormon yokel because that’s literally what you are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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You’re shrugging off and avoiding answering my questions.

I question whether or not you are actually capable of detecting if you are a yokel. It’s even possible that you are a damned yokel.

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Flemming wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:21 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
You’re a stupid damned Mormon yokel because that’s literally what you are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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deez nuts

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