Questions about BYU

[_maklelan]

That's just it. I wasn't flying under the radar. My name is fairly well known, since I've been around here a long time (I think just about as long as Pahoran has), and my wife is aware of everything I do. But when complete strangers start talking about my family, then I get nervous. Who knows what these people are capable of doing?

Giving horrible wedding presents and making disgusting funeral potatoes. That's about it. You say that as if LDS people have some kind of secret power over you, or are at least capable of more than any other normal person on the planet.

[_Runtu]

That's just it. I wasn't flying under the radar. My name is fairly well known, since I've been around here a long time (I think just about as long as Pahoran has), and my wife is aware of everything I do. But when complete strangers start talking about my family, then I get nervous. Who knows what these people are capable of doing?

Giving horrible wedding presents and making disgusting funeral potatoes. That's about it. You say that as if LDS people have some kind of secret power over you, or are at least capable of more than any other normal person on the planet.

Just how do you know this? I've had people threaten me with bodily harm in the past. Are you suggesting that somehow I should just believe that perfect strangers are incapable of harming my family because they're nominally LDS? Color me jaded, but I'm not ready to risk my family's safety on the thought that all Mormons are harmless. When you've had the kind of hatred spewed at you that I have, you can tell me it's OK to let these people near my family.

They're not more or less capable of anything than anyone else. The problem is that you assume that my correspondents were "normal people." I'm not going to assume that.

[_maklelan]

Just how do you know this? I've had people threaten me with bodily harm in the past. Are you suggesting that somehow I should just believe that perfect strangers are incapable of harming my family because they're nominally LDS? Color me jaded, but I'm not ready to risk my family's safety on the thought that all Mormons are harmless. When you've had the kind of hatred spewed at you that I have, you can tell me it's OK to let these people near my family.

I've been shot at, spit on, kicked out of public places and had several knives pulled on me because of my religion, so I'm not unfamiliar with persecution. I think to suggest that Mormons are unfamiliar with it is a little presumptuous. I generally don't hang around places real or online where I am confronting people like that. I've never seen anything like that on MAD, but people here seem to be surrounded by it. If you really think you're family is in danger then you probably should use a pseudonym, but you know what might work even better if your viewpoints cause such anger? Not coming to places like this, especially if it's just a forum for you to vent. There are better ways to do it.

[_harmony]

Just how do you know this? I've had people threaten me with bodily harm in the past. Are you suggesting that somehow I should just believe that perfect strangers are incapable of harming my family because they're nominally LDS? Color me jaded, but I'm not ready to risk my family's safety on the thought that all Mormons are harmless. When you've had the kind of hatred spewed at you that I have, you can tell me it's OK to let these people near my family.

I've been shot at, spit on, kicked out of public places and had several knives pulled on me because of my religion, so I'm not unfamiliar with persecution. I think to suggest that Mormons are unfamiliar with it is a little presumptuous. I generally don't hang around places real or online where I am confronting people like that. I've never seen anything like that on MAD, but people here seem to be surrounded by it. If you really think you're family is in danger then you probably should use a pseudonym, but you know what might work even better if your viewpoints cause such anger? Not coming to places like this, especially if it's just a forum for you to vent. There are better ways to do it.

Let's see... I've had a cross burned into my lawn, my daughter's bedroom window shot out by a rifle, 6 months of obscene phone calls, sugar poured into my gas tank, an ice pick used to put holes in my tires. Ask me again what my family and I have endured for this church.

[_maklelan]

Just how do you know this? I've had people threaten me with bodily harm in the past. Are you suggesting that somehow I should just believe that perfect strangers are incapable of harming my family because they're nominally LDS? Color me jaded, but I'm not ready to risk my family's safety on the thought that all Mormons are harmless. When you've had the kind of hatred spewed at you that I have, you can tell me it's OK to let these people near my family.

I've been shot at, spit on, kicked out of public places and had several knives pulled on me because of my religion, so I'm not unfamiliar with persecution. I think to suggest that Mormons are unfamiliar with it is a little presumptuous. I generally don't hang around places real or online where I am confronting people like that. I've never seen anything like that on MAD, but people here seem to be surrounded by it. If you really think you're family is in danger then you probably should use a pseudonym, but you know what might work even better if your viewpoints cause such anger? Not coming to places like this, especially if it's just a forum for you to vent. There are better ways to do it.

Let's see... I've had a cross burned into my lawn, my daughter's bedroom window shot out by a rifle, 6 months of obscene phone calls, sugar poured into my gas tank, an ice pick used to put holes in my tires. Ask me again what my family and I have endured for this church.

Then leave.

[_rcrocket]

Let's see... I've had a cross burned into my lawn, my daughter's bedroom window shot out by a rifle, 6 months of obscene phone calls, sugar poured into my gas tank, an ice pick used to put holes in my tires. Ask me again what my family and I have endured for this church.

Obviously you have not endured to the end. Your posts give more comfort to the enemy than anybody else on this board. You are an effective writer and spinner of anecdotes. You have the time to counter the truth whenever it shows its head. If you had substantive knowledge of the Gospel (I was amused to see you really think that Whitmer's An Address to All Believers in Christ was really an address given someplace) you'd be even more deadly to the building of the Kingdom.

As it is, we are feted with temple content from you (which you carefully couch as questions, rather than statements), challenges to the integrity of the brethren at every turn (every one of them are liars and deceivers), and the like. And, while the lurker pauses and questions, you throw in the repeated refrain that your temple recommend is every bit as good as your challenger, and that who knows, you might be sitting in the temple across the aisle from your challenger. Oh yes, the challenge: Whom are you to judge me? My stake president and bishop know me.

Quite effective.

And why do you do it? One of the oldest sins in the Book. Vanity.

P

[_harmony]

Just how do you know this? I've had people threaten me with bodily harm in the past. Are you suggesting that somehow I should just believe that perfect strangers are incapable of harming my family because they're nominally LDS? Color me jaded, but I'm not ready to risk my family's safety on the thought that all Mormons are harmless. When you've had the kind of hatred spewed at you that I have, you can tell me it's OK to let these people near my family.

I've been shot at, spit on, kicked out of public places and had several knives pulled on me because of my religion, so I'm not unfamiliar with persecution. I think to suggest that Mormons are unfamiliar with it is a little presumptuous. I generally don't hang around places real or online where I am confronting people like that. I've never seen anything like that on MAD, but people here seem to be surrounded by it. If you really think you're family is in danger then you probably should use a pseudonym, but you know what might work even better if your viewpoints cause such anger? Not coming to places like this, especially if it's just a forum for you to vent. There are better ways to do it.

Let's see... I've had a cross burned into my lawn, my daughter's bedroom window shot out by a rifle, 6 months of obscene phone calls, sugar poured into my gas tank, an ice pick used to put holes in my tires. Ask me again what my family and I have endured for this church.

Then leave.

No. Do you think God want you to say that? Or is that the devil talking?

[_maklelan]

No. Do you think God want you to say that? Or is that the devil talking?

That's me talkin'. Why don't you want to leave? Do you want to continue to have bad experiences so you can call yourself a martyr, or is there something else?

[_harmony]

Let's see... I've had a cross burned into my lawn, my daughter's bedroom window shot out by a rifle, 6 months of obscene phone calls, sugar poured into my gas tank, an ice pick used to put holes in my tires. Ask me again what my family and I have endured for this church.

Obviously you have not endured to the end.

I"m not dead yet, so obviously I'm still enduring.

Your posts give more comfort to the enemy than anybody else on this board.

Whose enemy? Yours? DCP's? Certainly not God's. Heck, I'm not even the church's enemy; I just want them to tell the unvarnished truth, to be what they could be, to open the books, so there's never any whiff of scandel or deceit. As it is, it's looks like the leaders are hiding something (or several billion somethings).

You are an effective writer and spinner of anecdotes.

Thank you. I'm sure that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me, and I'm sure you wish you could take it back now.

You have the time to counter the truth whenever it shows its head.

Well, since I've rarely seen the truth here, and I'm not allowed elsewhere for having told the truth, I suspect truth will just have to do his best without my help.

If you had substantive knowledge of the Gospel (I was amused to see you really think that Whitmer's An Address to All Believers in Christ was really an address given someplace) you'd be even more deadly to the building of the Kingdom.

Count your blessings. I'm learning more every day.

As it is, we are feted with temple content from you (which you carefully couch as questions, rather than statements),

And we both know why (I hate the secrecy and see no reason for it).

challenges to the integrity of the brethren at every turn (every one of them are liars and deceivers),

With rare exceptions, I find all men like that. Why should I cut them slack, when I see no reason to?

And, while the lurker pauses and questions, you throw in the repeated refrain that your temple recommend is every bit as good as your challenger, and that who knows, you might be sitting in the temple across the aisle from your challenger. Oh yes, the challenge: Who are you to judge me? My stake president and bishop know me.

Well, if I'm challenging, answer the questions, whatever they may be. I don't ask much, Plu. I just want the leaders to tell the unvarnished truth, open the books, and be what they're supposed to be. I'm sorry you think that's too much to ask.

Quite effective.

thanks.

And why do you do it? One of the oldest sins in the Book. Vanity.

Vanity? ROTFL. Pride, maybe. But vanity? What a hoot! I'm vain about my feet, not my arguments.

[_Mercury]

I've been shot at, spit on, kicked out of public places and had several knives pulled on me because of my religion, so I'm not unfamiliar with persecution.

Please provide evidence of these instances. If you don't then i cannot take this comment seriously.

You see what i'm getting at Mak?