Moniker wrote:I don't understand how "curses" fit into the framework of forgiveness taught under Christ? Turn the other cheek? I don't understand that!
Perhaps, I've only absorbed the beauty of Christianity (charity, love, forgiveness) that appeals to me and am completely unaware of this dark underbelly -- because it sure comes across that way. I was ASTOUNDED when I read of curses on the board yesterday. If God can take time out to curse someone then he could take a bit of time to stop tsunamis or Darfur atrocities. It makes no logical sense!
It depends on how you view suffering and death. To us death can be very scary. To God it is simply switching states. I admit that sometimes I envy the dead. They're free of so much crap.
I don't see it as a dark underbelly. It's a severe mercy. Sometimes these things are the last gifts God can give to someone who will let him do nothing else.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Will you be getting around to answering the question any time soon?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
To gain insight into what? In other words, what made you curious about the juxtaposition of the words "anger" and "stereotyping"? I am trying to understand your initial question.
Moniker wrote:Perhaps, I've only absorbed the beauty of Christianity (charity, love, forgiveness) that appeals to me
I've tried to absorb only the beauty of skepticism, but it's made me more cynical--or maybe I'm that way naturally and I haven't absorbed anything positive or negative.
Skepticism is usually not beautiful. Sometimes it is the smart option though.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I went back and the quotes within quotes are confusing. My resopnses in dark red.
Moniker wrote:
charity wrote:
Moniker wrote: I wonder what Satan would think of an angry LDS (Charity) calling women "sluts", and women that are abused "weak" and "dumb"... I mean, that's not angry, or devilish, eh?
That is a bald faced lie. I never called women "sluts."
You said the unofficial name for the course you taught was "nuts and sluts". Why bring that up? What was the point of that? That is NOT the official course name -- yet you brought that into the conversation. You apparently thought of the course in that manner since you brought it on the board. Why did you do that Charity? You saying women that fit under the definition of that class are "sluts"!
I said in that post that I NEVER used that term. Thnat was in indication that I disagreed with that view. Please read m more carefully. And yes, there are women who chose their own interests over their children. A strong woman would put her children first. So yes, they are weak. Protecting children is what women do. Who do you think enjoys seeing children abused? Satan.
Moniker wrote:[ You said women that are with abusive men are weak and dumb! Do you think that is charitable? Compassionate? WHERE IS YOUR EMPATHY!? I am boggled by your lack of concern!
You are mischaraterizing my position from a very long thread. This is not the place to rehash it. One of my daughters was in an abusive relationship, as I mentioned on that thread. I am certainly not without empathy. Anyone who is interested in this can go back and get the real picture, not your short squib biased summarization.
Moniker wrote:I think there is plenty of anger on this site. Dogdude, you want to see a bunch of angry folks on a bulletin board that are active take a looksie at the MAD board.
And when there are some who display that anger, what do you think made them angry? People lying about them, their leaders, their church. People mocking their deeply held religious beliefs.
Riiiight. That's why there was 20+ pages of mocking the descendents of the MMM massacre. Didn't see the descendents riling the good LDS folk on the board. Nope they put themselves into a frothy, frenzy of angst and hatred all by their lonesome! Who was goaded them to anger?
[ Again, you mischaracterize the subject of the posts. There was no frothy, frenzy. I think what set up that topic was the outrageous "September Dawn." Or did you vote it one of the best films ever made?
Moniker wrote:Charity, I am sooo sick of your self righteous patting yourself on the back. Your behavior has been despicable! You are cruel, hateful, and intolerant! Trying to put yourself into some elevated moral position in this thread sickens me! YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ANGRY EX-MOS YOU CRITICIZE! Look in the mirror!
Get a grip, girl. Rock throwing is not very attractive. Your characterization is incorrect. If you can document one instance where I was cruel, hateful, intolerant, give it a go. You know how to do the quotes. And in spite of your vitriol, I am not angry with you. You are probably just having a bad day.
Moniker wrote:I have a firm grip -- on reality. That you are so incapable of seeing how your posts come across to others speaks of your complete lack of social skills. I'm having a great day! I'm just tired of people saying that others are evil and of Satan. That is not your call! Who are you to know that? Who are you to know these people and their lives? Their hearts? You do not! You do not stand as final judge on their souls and deeds! It makes me bristle.
Sorry to tell you, but there are evil people in the world. I can provide you with a list if you would like. And there are people who follow Satan. How do I know there are people who are evil? My gosh, look at what they do. Kill. Rape. Torture. Abuse. What do I know of their hearts and their lives? Sorry. They hurt people. That's evil.
You can just unbristle yourself. I never said I was the final judge. I am not even an interim judge. God judges. And if He knows something about Hitler that we don't know and Hitler gets a pass, that will be fine with me. But until that happens I'm prety much goign to think he was evil. I have never said any ex-Mormon, nonn-Mormon, critic, inactive Mormon was evil. To the extent that they do what God does not want them to do, they are tipping the scales on the side of Satan. It is one or the other. God or Satan. That's in the Bible. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua said that.
Moniker wrote:Pointing out how others are "angry" while you insinuate that they are of Satan is just astounding!
Some are. But I never said you were. Or anyone else here on this board. Like Joshua said, we all chose.
HOpe the color makes this easier to untangle.
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wenglund wrote:Are you also disappointed in Sethbag and his similar caricatures of those who choose to believe? I am.
I happen to believe that pejorative stereotyping of opposing views is counterproductive, particularly within inter-faith dialogue, regardless of who is doing it.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Counterproductive? You mean, if I weren't employing what you consider to be pejorative stereotyping, TBMs like you and Charity and Crocket might actually come to agree with me and stop believing in the LDS church? Or what other production did you have in mind?
Either the LDS church is really true, or it isn't. What's wrong with someone who believes that it isn't actually saying so? The fact is, if I'm right, then you guys really have bought into a worldview which renders you less- or even incapable of coming out from other that false belief system. And if you're right, then Satan really has blinded me, and deceived me out of the church. Is it really so counterproductive to point that out?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote:Why do Mormons think they are the only one's persecuted by their apostate former members? A 30 second Google search brought up the following.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Moniker wrote:Perhaps, I've only absorbed the beauty of Christianity (charity, love, forgiveness) that appeals to me
I've tried to absorb only the beauty of skepticism, but it's made me more cynical--or maybe I'm that way naturally and I haven't absorbed anything positive or negative.
Well, I certainly feel rather cynical -- and I've pretty much always been a skeptic. It's spending too much time with those that proclaim to be loving Christians that act with little empathy and hatred that has created a sense of horror and makes me recoil often. I don't expect much from Schmo, Merc, etc... Yet, those that say they know Christ that then act in such hateful ways (calling people evil is just horrid!) makes me cringe. I don't know how else to say that.
I think any criticism of the Church is taken as a personal attack -- and I can actually understand that. No one enjoys having their beliefs ridiculed. Yet, if you are someone that wants to live with love, charity, empathy, and spread the light of Christ and you end up spending hours on bulletin boards that does not further that goal I would think that you should assess what you're really doing.
If the LDS church helps someone manage life better, or gives them hope in some way then I say good for them and hang in there.
However, there are those for whom the LDS church creates unhealthiness and harm.
For those who are struggling with belief in the LDS church, who sense that there are some teachings/doctrines that are not holy, or who have a sense of truth different than what is taught, I think a place where there can be open and honest discussion feels like a cool drink in a hot desert.
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj