Maklelan - A romantic incentive

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Yes, with every single post. And I have acknowledged when I have been at fault numerous, numerous times on this board. I have also apologized for poor behavior numerous, numerous times on this board. I don't think I've ever seen you even come close to anything like that. You've repeatedly shown yourself to be cheerfully petty, willingly dishonest, and unapologetically polemical, so save the pathetic attempts to assert some kind of moral high road over me.

You mean just like your above pathetic attempt to assert some kind of moral high ground over me? Epic fail, Mak.

Now that we've cleared that up, are you going to respond to any of my concerns with your arguments, or are you really just throwing more rhetoric against the wall in the hopes that something will stick?

What did we just clear up? And, I would love to respond to your concerns. What are they? This is a CFR.

Also, did you really just accuse me of throwing rhetoric against the wall? Mak, that's exactly what you've been doing for the last 6 pages? And, might I add, you're not doing a very good job keeping up.

Wow, Mak, just wow.

[_maklelan]

You mean just like your above pathetic attempt to assert some kind of moral high ground over me? Epic fail, Mak.

That was a perfectly accurate and valid display of how I hold the moral high ground. I'm being honest, open, and objective. You're acting like a middle schooler because you don't like Mormonism and can't bring yourself to give it an inch.

What did we just clear up? And, I would love to respond to your concerns. What are they? This is a CFR.

You know exactly what my concerns are. I've repeated them multiple times and quoted the multiple posts of yours that caused them. Quit acting like a child.

Also, did you really just accuse me of throwing rhetoric against the wall?

Yes, because that's what you're doing. You know you made a stupid claim and you know you have no way to support it, so you're going to attempt to distract people by just throwing a bunch of nonsense on the board.

Mak, that's exactly what you've been doing it for the last 6 pages? And, might I add, you're not doing a very good job keeping up.

Wow, Mak, just wow.

Even you can't possibly think you're being effective here. How silly does it make you feel to actually post this stuff and hope people take it seriously?

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

That was a perfectly accurate and valid display of how I hold the moral high ground. I'm being honest, open, and objective. You're acting like a middle schooler because you don't like Mormonism and can't bring yourself to give it an inch.

Do you realize how judgmental this makes you look, Mak? You really think you're being open, honest, objective and morally superior. Do you really think you have any room to judge anyone? Another epic fail, Mak.

Mak, I dare say I like Mormonism much more than you ever will. Someday I hope you will be honest about your issues with the Church. Heavens knows, you haven't done it here.

You know exactly what my concerns are. I've repeated them multiple times and quoted the multiple posts of yours that caused them. Quit acting like a child.

I don't know what your concerns are, despite asking (three times now). What's the big mystery? Again, you know when someone has lost the argument and objectivity when you have to stoop to calling someone a child. Another epic fail, Mak.

Yes, because that's what you're doing. You know you made a stupid claim and you know you have no way to support it, so you're going to attempt to distract people by just throwing a bunch of nonsense on the board.

What are you talking about, Willis? What claim? CFR, Mak. CFR. As far as throwing a bunch of nonsense on the board, what have you been doing the last 6 pages? Having a serious discussion? No, you're having a very public meltdown and lashing out b/c you've painted yourself into a strange little corner that you didn't need to be in. Strange, and kind of funny at the same time.

Even you can't possibly think you're being effective here. How silly does it make you feel to actually post this stuff and hope people take it seriously?

I would like to ask you the exact same thing, Mak. Do you think your 6 page long rant has put you in a good light? It hasn't. Has it been effective? It hasn't. It's exposed your self-righteousness, dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Mak, let's see if we can continue this another 6 pages.....

[_maklelan]

Do you realize how judgmental this makes you look, Mak? You really think you're being open, honest, objective and morally superior. Do you really think you have any room to judge anyone? Another epic fail, Mak.

In other words, "I'll judge the crap out of you and everyone else in the Church, but don't you dare take issue with what I say or I'll accuse you of being a judgmental hypocrite." Bravo.

Mak, I dare say I like Mormonism much more than you ever will.

Oh, well crafted.

Someday I hope you will be honest about your issues with the Church. Heavens knows, you haven't done it here.

Again you ignorantly accuse me of dishonesty. You haven't the foggiest idea what my position is on any of this, you're just accusing me of lying where my position conflicts with your projecting.

I don't know what your concerns are, despite asking (three times now). What's the big mystery?

Again you refuse to be honest. Neither you nor anyone else reading this actually thinks you don't honestly know what my concerns are. Save the puppet show for someone else.

Again, you know when someone has lost the argument and objectivity when you have to stoop to calling someone a child. Another epic fail, Mak.

I'll call your rhetoric childish when you willingly and repeatedly appeal to childish rhetoric.

What are you talking about, Willis? What claim? CFR, Mak. CFR. As far as throwing a bunch of nonsense on the board, what have you been doing the last 6 pages? Having a serious discussion? No, you're having a very public meltdown and lashing out b/c you've painted yourself into a strange little corner that you didn't need to be in. Strange, and kind of funny at the same time.

You can't point to a single post of mine that even shows frustration, much less a "meltdown" or "lashing out." You can only find me calmly explaining how your rhetoric is juvenile.

I would like to ask you the exact same thing, Mak. Do you think your 6 page long rant has put you in a good light? It hasn't. Has it been effective? It hasn't. It's exposed your self-righteousness, dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Mak, let's see if we can continue this another 6 pages.....

Oh, I have no doubt the depths of your willingness to be dishonest and childish in trying to belittle Mormonism could never be plumbed. You've multiple times made a public mockery of your integrity in your attempts to vilify and belittle prominent Latter-day Saints. At least I'm adult enough to not hide behind anonymity.

[_Sanctorian]

So I have an opinion on Mak based on this thread. It's my opinion. Nothing more.

I believe Mak joined the church at a vulnerable time in his life. The church provided structure and much needed direction. A greater purpose. Mak then goes on a mission and dives deep into the church headfirst. Because he's a smart chap, the milk of the doctrine does little to satisfy his needs. He hungers for the meat and reads all he can with regards to not only the LDS church, but religion in general. God is a mystery waiting to be unlocked.

Mak has lots of peers and associates, but is the best friend of no one. Friends are sarcastic, joke with each other, take jabs at one another. That's fine because he doesn't really need friends. The general public just doesn't get people like Mak and Mak doesn't need the general public. Peers have a mutual respect for each other, but don't need to be actual friends and all the drama that comes with being a friend like hearing about marital problems, hanging out on the weekends, etc. Mak does well by himself and doesn't mind being alone.

Speaking of being alone, Mak loves to be by himself. He reads a lot and runs or rides bike. Things that he can do by himself and reflect.

Mak does not do well in the corporate world because having a supervisor or boss doesn't work for Mak. That's why he gravitates towards academia. Mak wants to be a professor because he will be his own boss for the most part. He will be the deciding factor, not some boss man that only cares about profits. Academia also fills Mak's need to be respected. In academia, you get peer reviews to justify your research. It's better for Mak to have a peer review than a performance review from a corporate boss. Plus, Mak likes to teach. He likes to share his knowledge. It's commendable and a respected profession.

I envision Mak as a bit of a tortured soul. He probably likes drawing or writing poetry. Although, I'm going to go with drawing because poetry is difficult due to the many different ways words can be interpreted. This is probably true because of Mak's field of study, so that's why I'm going to say drawing.

Mak accepts the church as a Christian religion, nothing more. He views it the same as all other Christian religions. If you accept Christ as your savior, that's good enough for Mak. The church doesn't have to be "the one true church", it just has to be a Christian church. He has picked the Mormon church as his form of Christianity. He defends it as Christianity, not Mormonism. He doesn't necessarily believe Thomas Monson is a prophet like the biblical prophets, but that's OK. He can still sustain him as prophet meaning Thomas Monson is the Pope of the Mormon church. Prophet is just a title.

The truth claims of the church don't really matter to Mak. He knows the Book of Abraham is made up and likely the Book of Mormon. That doesn't matter to Mak. He doesn't care that it's not literal. It may be inspired writing and contain errors, but it teaches of Christ and that's all that matters. Mak is more interested in the words than the origin. Same thing for the Bible. It doesn't matter what the origin is, what are the words and the many different meaning to those words based on different translations. Taking a word and running it through a half dozen languages helps Mak unlock the mysteries of God. That's what matters.

Mak probably does very little in his ward. Church attendance is more for his wife and kids than for himself. Elders quorum is a drag. Sunday school is where Mak excels. The Bible year is his favorite. Temple attendance is something Mak does for the cultural part of the religion, but he could care less if he ever saw the inside of another temple. He goes because that's what the members do. He does not believe the temple is a saving ordinance and needed in order to enter the kingdom of God.

And there you have it. My opinion on Mak. The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of the other posters on this board. I'm probably completely wrong, but I have to guess. However, I like this Mak above. It makes sense to me that the Mak above is a member of the LDS church.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

So I have an opinion on Mak based on this thread. It's my opinion. Nothing more.

I believe Mak joined the church at a vulnerable time in his life. The church provided structure and much needed direction. A greater purpose. Mak then goes on a mission and dives deep into the church headfirst. Because he's a smart chap, the milk of the doctrine does little to satisfy his needs. He hungers for the meat and reads all he can with regards to not only the LDS church, but religion in general. God is a mystery waiting to be unlocked.

Mak has lots of peers and associates, but is the best friend of no one. Friends are sarcastic, joke with each other, take jabs at one another. That's fine because he doesn't really need friends. The general public just doesn't get people like Mak and Mak doesn't need the general public. Peers have a mutual respect for each other, but don't need to be actual friends and all the drama that comes with being a friend like hearing about marital problems, hanging out on the weekends, etc. Mak does well by himself and doesn't mind being alone.

Speaking of being alone, Mak loves to be by himself. He reads a lot and runs or rides bike. Things that he can do by himself and reflect.

Mak does not do well in the corporate world because having a supervisor or boss doesn't work for Mak. That's why he gravitates towards academia. Mak wants to be a professor because he will be his own boss for the most part. He will be the deciding factor, not some boss man that only cares about profits. Academia also fills Mak's need to be respected. In academia, you get peer reviews to justify your research. It's better for Mak to have a peer review than a performance review from a corporate boss. Plus, Mak likes to teach. He likes to share his knowledge. It's commendable and a respected profession.

I envision Mak as a bit of a tortured soul. He probably likes drawing or writing poetry. Although, I'm going to go with drawing because poetry is difficult due to the many different ways words can be interpreted. This is probably true because of Mak's field of study, so that's why I'm going to say drawing.

Mak accepts the church as a Christian religion, nothing more. He views it the same as all other Christian religions. If you accept Christ as your savior, that's good enough for Mak. The church doesn't have to be "the one true church", it just has to be a Christian church. He has picked the Mormon church as his form of Christianity. He defends it as Christianity, not Mormonism. He doesn't necessarily believe Thomas Monson is a prophet like the biblical prophets, but that's OK. He can still sustain him as prophet meaning Thomas Monson is the Pope of the Mormon church. Prophet is just a title.

The truth claims of the church don't really matter to Mak. He knows the Book of Abraham is made up and likely the Book of Mormon. That doesn't matter to Mak. He doesn't care that it's not literal. It may be inspired writing and contain errors, but it teaches of Christ and that's all that matters. Mak is more interested in the words than the origin. Same thing for the Bible. It doesn't matter what the origin is, what are the words and the many different meaning to those words based on different translations. Taking a word and running it through a half dozen languages helps Mak unlock the mysteries of God. That's what matters.

Mak probably does very little in his ward. Church attendance is more for his wife and kids than for himself. Elders quorum is a drag. Sunday school is where Mak excels. The Bible year is his favorite. Temple attendance is something Mak does for the cultural part of the religion, but he could care less if he ever saw the inside of another temple. He goes because that's what the members do. He does not believe the temple is a saving ordinance and needed in order to enter the kingdom of God.

And there you have it. My opinion on Mak. The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of the other posters on this board. I'm probably completely wrong, but I have to guess. However, I like this Mak above. It makes sense to me that the Mak above is a member of the LDS church.

Sanctorian,

Great post. Thanks for having the courage to be more open and honest about Mak, than Mak was about himself.

You would make a much better Mak, than Mak.

[_maklelan]

And there you have it. My opinion on Mak. The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of the other posters on this board. I'm probably completely wrong, but I have to guess. However, I like this Mak above. It makes sense to me that the Mak above is a member of the LDS church.

I guess you took my statements as an invitation to increase the speculation about me. I don't understand why people here are so uncomfortable with someone not fitting nicely and neatly into the little boxes they've whittled out for the Church and the dynamics associated with its existence.

[_maklelan]

Sanctorian,

Great post. Thanks for having the courage to be more open and honest about Mak, than Mak was about himself.

You would make a much better Mak, than Mak.

Troll level: over 9000.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Sanctorian,

Great post. Thanks for having the courage to be more open and honest about Mak, than Mak was about himself.

You would make a much better Mak, than Mak.

Troll level: over 9000.

Troll level: over 90000

[_maklelan]

Troll level: over 90000

In other words, "I know you are but what am I?!?" Again, well crafted.