Calling Thayne, Can I Help With NOM?

[_Quasimodo]

Sly finding one so unsafe as Travis Bickel to be in your clapping gif.

Hey! That's the most applause I've received since my third grade play debut (both parents). I'm taking it! (Thanks Ceeboo).

[_moksha]

Maybe MDB would be a nice graduation from a safe, sheltered backyard to a wonderful wide world of new experiences.

Like maybe they could do great things here at Slytherin House.

If there was an option for a NOM forum here, I would opt for that. The Celestial forum feels a bit more dedicated to general Christian issues, with some people proposing a superiority of creedal Christianity over Mormonism and others arguing against that by pointing out the defects of all religious thinking. Not your typical NOM fare.

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Regarding that Reddit NOM forum, I was happy to read of Hagoth's persistence in the concerted effort to contact Thayne, as well as Corsair and Red Ryder's brainstorming. Somehow communication must be established, whether by conventional means or even smoke signals and singing telegrams.

by the way, for anybody wondering, Quasimodo and CeeBoo are two exceptionally nice posters here at the Shades Board.

BTW2, One strong reason why boards like this one and NOM are technically superior to Reddit is its graphical rather than text-based nature.

[_Hagoth]

For reasons already stated I believe this is probably not a safe place for NOM's.

It would be nice if it was.

Regards,
MG

Wow! Are NOMs really that fragile? The ones I've seen posting here recently seem pretty stable to me.

They can't ever say that you didn't warn them, but I'll bet that they are quite capable of making decisions about the suitability of this trailer park for their needs, all by themselves. It's very easy for them to just not come back if they are unhappy.

That's not the point of resurrecting NOM at all, at least as far as I'm concerned. I would just like to have my community back. A lot of my friends ended up here but a lot did not, probably some of the ones who need NOM the most. Also, I think NOM is a better place for people in faith transition. They are better able to find support there and express their concerns and issues without being pounced on by over eager debaters. NOM is more about how to live with still-believing loved ones after your beliefs have changed, for whatever reason. It's also a place to blow off a little steam when those people aren't so sympathetic to those of us who feel the need to graduate from our former mindset in one way or another.

[_Lemmie]

For reasons already stated I believe this is probably not a safe place for NOM's.

It would be nice if it was.

Regards,
MG

Wow! Are NOMs really that fragile? The ones I've seen posting here recently seem pretty stable to me.

They can't ever say that you didn't warn them, but I'll bet that they are quite capable of making decisions about the suitability of this trailer park for their needs, all by themselves. It's very easy for them to just not come back if they are unhappy.

That's not the point of resurrecting NOM at all, at least as far as I'm concerned. I would just like to have my community back. A lot of my friends ended up here but a lot did not, probably some of the ones who need NOM the most. Also, I think NOM is a better place for people in faith transition. They are better able to find support there and express their concerns and issues without being pounced on by over eager debaters. NOM is more about how to live with still-believing loved ones after your beliefs have changed, for whatever reason. It's also a place to blow off a little steam when those people aren't so sympathetic to those of us who feel the need to graduate from our former mindset in one way or another.

An interim solution might be to start a NOM-specific thread in Terrestrial; there is precedent that's been discussed recently where an OP could request responses be limited to a type, such as supportive, no debate, observational, etc. You could ask Dr. Shades to split off any posts not following the NOM theme, maybe even temporarily pin it to the top of the forum.

Kind of like a traveling NOM to keep up the NOM relationships while you're traveling toward a new home!

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't think I ever posted on NOM, but I've seen it. What I'm getting from this thread is that NOM shut down and folks have no place to interact. Also getting that NOM was less a "lively" crowd than is here on MDB. ;-)

Speaking only for myself, I would love for you all to set up camp here at MDB. Here's some suggestions.

1. Use the Celestial Forum for your threads. What you have to discuss may not exactly be regarded as scholarly, but my sense is that you would like more respectful interaction. Certainly Celestial could work for that. You could use the Paradise forum, but the moderation reflects that of Terrestrial so why bother?

2. If you'd like to post here in Terrestrial, you could title your OP something like "NOM: name of your thread" and ask specifically for input from NOM only. That's a little hard to facilitate, but it's possible. Lemmie, in her post above, mentioned a new precedent. It's really not new at all. The precedent under recent discussion comes from MDB history, when (1) the thread starter had more control over how a thread would go or (2) the option that has remained over time where any OP can report a derail that distracts from their thread. These options are essentially two aspects of an issue that result in the same outcome. When you report a derail, you can request a "split". The split does basically the same thing as the old threaded formats used to do when a sub-topic fanned out on it's own. So you can title your OP to try to convey what it is that you're trying to accomplish and/or if your thread seems to drift far away from your intended purpose, you can ask the mods to check it for derail with the goal of splitting it off. If you're going to ask for a split, don't wait until the thread has become long and cumbersome. Try to ask early on when you notice it happening. Just trying to demonstrate some "on board" options here going in for you guys, to see if anything sounds good to you.

3. There were suggestions on this thread about adding in another forum. I'm not sure Shades would be agreeable to that, but it's worth a try. As a poster, I'm happy to have however many forums are needed, but I think Shades concern would be the ability of mods to provide coverage. That said, and I almost hate to mention this but I'm throwing it out there, if you guys really must have a new forum to plan from. There exists an MDB alternate board. If you were to use that for something, you likely wouldn't get any moderation at all on the alternate board. If you feel compelled toward that option, I'd ask Shades about it before trying to use it. Otherwise, I see no reason why you couldn't plan and strategize right here in Terrestrial or Paradise, or via PM's, and see how it goes for you.

As you can see by the responses on this very thread, we're more than happy to have you all temporarily or permanently. When this board started, we were mostly a group of refugees ourselves! I hope you all choose to stay!

:-)

[_Lemmie]

Lemmie, in her post above, mentioned a new precedent. It's really not new at all.

No, I didn't call it new, Jersey Girl. See my actual words below.

there is precedent that's been discussed recently

Just to be clear, I wrote that taking your word for it. I've never seen the actual rule you are discussing so I have no idea where or if it is documented.

[_Jersey Girl]

The biggest word I've ever heard and this is how it goes, possaplausipotentialities...

Cute.

I'm pretty sure that certain points of view (or any points of view) are NOT off limits here. People sometimes find that their points of view are not agreed with by other people here, but that's what discussion boards are all about.

I have no issue with disagreement. The fact is, I don't agree with other people at times.

You're quite right that this is not a place to come if you expect everyone to always agree with you, but having disagreements makes the conversation much more interesting.

I don't know that I'm arguing otherwise.

After all, that's how we learn new things. I almost used the cliché "echo chamber". Oops, I just did.

And that's what I have repeatedly said. I'm here to learn. Some folks don't seem to believe me.

For reasons already stated I believe this is probably not a safe place for NOM's.

It would be nice if it was.

Regards,
MG

MG,

Honestly, you complain about the same things over and over again and yet you take no action whatsoever to prevent them. I barely read the threads that you participate on for that very reason. I know, as I'm reading, it's going to devolve into complaints. And, like clockwork, here it is again.

People have given you advice that you fail to act on. I'm sorry you're unhappy, but half of the equation is you, buddy.

[_Jersey Girl]

Lemmie, in her post above, mentioned a new precedent. It's really not new at all.

No, I didn't call it new, Jersey Girl. See my actual words below.

there is precedent that's been discussed recently

Just to be clear, I wrote that taking your word for it. I've never seen the actual rule you are discussing so I have no idea where or if it is documented.

Oh sorry, I skimmed!

Yes, there's a rule regarding derail. It's in the Universal Rules for the board.

[_Red Ryder]

Most of us who've migrated over here wouldn't be considered fragile bunnies or middle way seekers. We are simply married to Mormons who have no interest in checking the church's diaper for poo poo even when it's obvious the pampers are full and the moisture absorbing gelatin is starting to get all over the place.

NOM provided the community where we could all laugh and cry about the absurdity of waking up in this twilight zone. Where penguins could lie down with Tapirs while Kermit the Frog serenaded us with wisdom and Gay depeche mode loving cowboys would stop in to say hi and prop up the weak and feeble.

It's complicated living with a Mormon when all you want to do is walk away from burlap walls, blessed donuts, and funny underwear. NOM is/was the tightrope we walk. Sure it would probably be easier to just step off and move on, but when you have hope and can see the other side, it provides an illusion that maybe someday things will normalize or the church will implode and becoming Amish is a better alternative.

[_Enough]

Most of us who've migrated over here wouldn't be considered fragile bunnies or middle way seekers. We are simply married to Mormons who have no interest in checking the church's diaper for poo poo even when it's obvious the pampers are full and the moisture absorbing gelatin is starting to get all over the place.

NOM provided the community where we could all laugh and cry about the absurdity of waking up in this twilight zone. Where penguins could lie down with Tapirs while Kermit the Frog serenaded us with wisdom and Gay depeche mode loving cowboys would stop in to say hi and prop up the weak and feeble.

It's complicated living with a Mormon when all you want to do is walk away from burlap walls, blessed donuts, and funny underwear. NOM is/was the tightrope we walk.

This. All of this.

NOM was just the space that felt like home to many-- even if it was a temporary home.

It feels like I've survived an earthquake, but just lost my tent & Red Cross care package. I do appreciate the warm welcome and inclusion from everyone here at MD.