Mudslide slams into Provo LDS church

[Limnor]

Part of the pity - and a mark in the “maybe let’s not join” column - is the seeming requirement to be of two minds about topics such as the past. Whether to acknowledge activities as a truth to be learned from or an inconvenience to be forgotten.

The difficulty in reconciliation is not something I’d like to do.

Maybe it is a tenet of the faith - “thou shalt reconcile irreconcilable things by faith, lest ye be condemned.”

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Part of the pity - and a mark in the “maybe let’s not join” column - is the seeming requirement to be of two minds about topics such as the past. Whether to acknowledge activities as a truth to be learned from or an inconvenience to be forgotten.

The difficulty in reconciliation is not something I’d like to do.

Maybe it is a tenet of the faith - “thou shalt reconcile irreconcilable things by faith, lest ye be condemned.”

Your observation about the challenge of reconciling the past is a profound one, especially when it comes to Mormonism. In Mormonism, there is a very real tension between being honest about its difficult history and the desire to forget it to move forward.

The path toward reconciliation in Mormonism can be incredibly difficult, and it's understandable why you'd feel a reluctance to take it on. It often involves pain, forgiveness, and a commitment to truth, even when that truth is inconvenient. It makes it even more difficult to reconcile when Mormonism makes great efforts to conceal/whitewash and not be open and honest about its past and current dealings.

Good luck in your quest for the truth, Limnor.

[malkie]

Part of the pity - and a mark in the “maybe let’s not join” column - is the seeming requirement to be of two minds about topics such as the past. Whether to acknowledge activities as a truth to be learned from or an inconvenience to be forgotten.

The difficulty in reconciliation is not something I’d like to do.

Maybe it is a tenet of the faith - “thou shalt reconcile irreconcilable things by faith, lest ye be condemned.”

Your observation about the challenge of reconciling the past is a profound one, especially when it comes to Mormonism. In Mormonism, there is a very real tension between being honest about its difficult history and the desire to forget it to move forward.

The path toward reconciliation in Mormonism can be incredibly difficult, and it's understandable why you'd feel a reluctance to take it on. It often involves pain, forgiveness, and a commitment to truth, even when that truth is inconvenient. It makes it even more difficult to reconcile when Mormonism makes great efforts to conceal/whitewash and not be open and honest about its past and current dealings.

Good luck in your quest for the truth, Limnor.

As with many other things in life, I can see Limnor's quest and associated decisions fitting into a cost/benefit analysis. Like Everybody Wang Chung, Limnor, I wish you luck in tackling the issues and finding your own path.

[MG 2.0]

Your observation about the challenge of reconciling the past is a profound one, especially when it comes to Mormonism. In Mormonism, there is a very real tension between being honest about its difficult history and the desire to forget it to move forward.

The path toward reconciliation in Mormonism can be incredibly difficult, and it's understandable why you'd feel a reluctance to take it on. It often involves pain, forgiveness, and a commitment to truth, even when that truth is inconvenient. It makes it even more difficult to reconcile when Mormonism makes great efforts to conceal/whitewash and not be open and honest about its past and current dealings.

Good luck in your quest for the truth, Limnor.

As with many other things in life, I can see Limnor's quest and associated decisions fitting into a cost/benefit analysis. Like Everybody Wang Chung, Limnor, I wish you luck in tackling the issues and finding your own path.

Limnor, whatever course your path leads you to might I suggest that you look to Jesus Christ before anything else. He said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

That is a bold statement. One that should not be discarded lightly.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

This idea of having to have opposition in all things in order to grow is nonsense. I have said it before you don't need to take a real Math class and a fake math class to learn math. It is the trickster god thing all over again. God creates this life with cleverly placed land mines that are meant to become the template of judgement for the eternities? It is you eternal score card despite the fact many of the things in life are out of our control. We don't choose our race, we don't select our genetic composition, we don't decide where we are born, we don't select our gender yet all these things contribute (and many more) to how we perceive the world. It forms our world wide gestalt. Despite all of this we don't get an explanation as to the mechanism that belief in things true but not seen is so damn important.

[Moksha]

I, for one, would prefer to relive the 90's and 00's (be condemned to repeat them) compared to what we have today and have had for about the last 10 years.

I think we are on course to repeat 1930s Germany.

[sock puppet]

I, for one, would prefer to relive the 90's and 00's (be condemned to repeat them) compared to what we have today and have had for about the last 10 years.

I think we are on course to repeat 1930s Germany.

I guess it depends on what part of the past one is thinking of. I hope we are not being led by a Hitler-ish pied piper.

[Marcus]

A statement is bold, therefore it shouldn't be discarded lightly? That's nonsensical. There is a reason Utah is the affinity fraud capital of the US, and it is because Mormons are trained to let their emotions take over when fraudsters make bold statements.

[MG 2.0]

A statement is bold, therefore is shouldn't be discarded lightly? That's nonsensical. There is a reason Utah is the affinity fraud capital of the US, and it is because Mormons are trained to let their emotions take over when fraudsters make bold statements.

You are comparing that to whether or not Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God and the Creator of the earth we live on and the One that we look to for salvation (what many across the world believe). I'm simply telling Limnor that before he travels off on a different path for too long, and might find it difficult to come back, he ought to consider whether or not Jesus was telling the truth.

I'm not suggesting he go out and make an unwise financial investment.

I'm sure you're not opposed to a person looking to Jesus Christ and His message for his or herself, are you?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Goalpost moving is habitual with the Mental Gymnast, and still just as intellectually dishonest.

...That is a bold statement. One that should not be discarded lightly...

He can't support that, so he's moved on to the 'many agree with me' fallacy.