Who Knows wrote:Just to add my own personal anecdote to the other topic being discussed here:
I asked my wife what her understanding was of AAA, the 2nd coming, millenium.
She said it was her understanding that Christ would return to AAA as part of the 2nd coming. I asked her about Jerusalem, mount of olives, etc. and she hadn't heard that part.
for what it's worth...
Well, she's obviously ignorant too.
She needs to read her lesson manuals, scriptures, writings of the prophets more carefully. We should all be striving to create a world in which everyone knows the gospel details as well as Makelan, his wife, and his 20ish BYU friends do.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Mister Scratch wrote:for what it's worth, I agree (not surprisingly) with WK, Liz, and others that Romney has been quite dodgy in his responses to journalists. As to whether this is "lying," I think that's somewhat arguable and debatable, however I think there is no question that his responses have most definitely been deceptive, and have not provided anything even remotely resembling a clear picture of LDS belief. It seems clear to me that Romney is engaging in a sort of "politically correct" whitewashing of doctrine in order to aid his campaign. Either that or he is, on some level, embarrassed about the Church. In any case, this sort of "spin doctoring" has been going on for a long, long time, sanctioned for various reasons including "sacred not secret"; "milk before meat"; "I don't know that we teach that"; "we don't throw our pearls before swine"; etc., etc., etc.
The million dollar question is: To what end?
I ask you to point to one doctrine that he has explained incorrectly.
Mak---
I did not say anything about "explaining incorrectly." I said that Romney has been "dodgy," or "politically correct," or "deceptive." Generally speaking, this is a result of him deferring his answers off to the Church itself, or else him providing very watered down, whitewashed answers to doctrinal questions. His response vis-a-vis the Millennium, for example, tried to play up the similarity of LDS belief to the rest of Christianity. Why not emphasize the uniqueness of Mormonism? The reason: he is embarrassed/wary from a political standpoint, and thus "dodgy."
I did not say anything about "explaining incorrectly." I said that Romney has been "dodgy," or "politically correct," or "deceptive." Generally speaking, this is a result of him deferring his answers off to the Church itself, or else him providing very watered down, whitewashed answers to doctrinal questions. His response vis-a-vis the Millennium, for example, tried to play up the similarity of LDS belief to the rest of Christianity. Why not emphasize the uniqueness of Mormonism? The reason: he is embarrassed/wary from a political standpoint, and thus "dodgy."
And, to build on this a little further....
Let's acknowledge Mitt Romney for what he is. He's a politician. Yes, he's related to a former prophet, but his primary aspiration has nothing to do with being an abassador for the Church. TBM's seem to have a hard time separating those two points. They tend to get all caught up in the excitement of a Mormon possibly taking office.
Frankly, if Romney by some miracle DID actually become President, I don't think he would run anything differently based on the Church...as much as many Church members would like to think he would.
I did not say anything about "explaining incorrectly." I said that Romney has been "dodgy," or "politically correct," or "deceptive." Generally speaking, this is a result of him deferring his answers off to the Church itself, or else him providing very watered down, whitewashed answers to doctrinal questions. His response vis-a-vis the Millennium, for example, tried to play up the similarity of LDS belief to the rest of Christianity. Why not emphasize the uniqueness of Mormonism? The reason: he is embarrassed/wary from a political standpoint, and thus "dodgy."
And, to build on this a little further....
Let's acknowledge Mitt Romney for what he is. He's a politician. Yes, he's related to a former prophet, but his primary aspiration has nothing to do with being an abassador for the Church. TBM's seem to have a hard time separating those two points. They tend to get all caught up in the excitement of a Mormon possibly taking office.
Frankly, if Romney by some miracle DID actually become President, I don't think he would run anything differently based on the Church...as much as many Church members would like to think he would.
I would hope that he would not do anything at all because of the Church. I would hope he would be a good president and govern based on his political ideals. Based on what I have seen of him I am confident he would do this.
I did not say anything about "explaining incorrectly." I said that Romney has been "dodgy," or "politically correct," or "deceptive." Generally speaking, this is a result of him deferring his answers off to the Church itself, or else him providing very watered down, whitewashed answers to doctrinal questions. His response vis-a-vis the Millennium, for example, tried to play up the similarity of LDS belief to the rest of Christianity. Why not emphasize the uniqueness of Mormonism? The reason: he is embarrassed/wary from a political standpoint, and thus "dodgy."
And, to build on this a little further....
Let's acknowledge Mitt Romney for what he is. He's a politician. Yes, he's related to a former prophet, but his primary aspiration has nothing to do with being an abassador for the Church. TBM's seem to have a hard time separating those two points. They tend to get all caught up in the excitement of a Mormon possibly taking office.
Frankly, if Romney by some miracle DID actually become President, I don't think he would run anything differently based on the Church...as much as many Church members would like to think he would.
I would hope that he would not do anything at all because of the Church. I would hope he would be a good president and govern based on his political ideals. Based on what I have seen of him I am confident he would do this.
I see nothing about Romney to lead me to believe that he'd take his marching orders from SLC. I believe him to be an independently-minded, reasonable, principled man (although still a politician).
Opponents fears that he is a shadow President to the TSCC, and supporters hopes that he legislate traditioanal, conservative Mormon and Christian beliefs are both likely to be, respectively, relieved and disappointed.
The major annoying outcome of his election would be to hear silly believers crow about fulfillment of prophecy "Constitution hanging by a thread to be rescued by Elders of Zion" and all that BS.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Why are you all so surprised that Mitty boy is dodging reporters questions about the Mormons.
Reporters are not stupid, they are some of the smartest people there are. Mitty's got to dodge their questions, he has to flip flop he can't come right out and answer anything thing they ask because the Mormon church is just too weird too, too
weird, icky, gross, sick disgusting, strange.
I do not know why we are so worried about him. I'm not. I know many people that would never vote for a Mormon because of polygamy.
Just the other day it came up on the TODAY show that the Mormon church would not allow African Americans to hold the priesthood until 1978...Now Mitty will not be getting the Black vote, not that he was going to get it anyway. CLinton's going to get the black vote.
1st of all he is republican...2nd because he is Mormon.....so no black people will be voting for him....
So who will be voting for Mitty.....Mormons...there is not enough Mormons to vote him in....not all Mormons will be voting for him either, because they have to much to loose....
So my question is WHO will actually vote for MITTY boy????
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:So who will be voting for Mitty.....Mormons...there is not enough Mormons to vote him in....not all Mormons will be voting for him either, because they have to much to loose....
What do Mormons have to lose by voting for Mitt Romney?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
harmony wrote:No photos, no witnesses, no video, no nothing. And we're supposed to just take your word for it? (Do you ever listen to yourself?)
I should know better than to insist that Christ visited the Galilee shortly after his ascension without photo documentation. Thank you for clearing that up.
Mak, Please show some consistancy... You said, prior to you above statement:
He's returned to the US dozens of times since his ascension. He's also returned to Jerusalem and Galilee and dozens of other locales.
It appears to this observer that you's backin' down Bro!?!? Like any body red da Bible knows Jesus comed back to visit his apostles AND his women friends...
BUT, "...to the USA dozens of times..."??? Really, do ya think evem Harmony expected pics away back in Bible times?? But in da USofA??? Forget pics. How about other substantiation since 1776--USA times. Not Book of Mormon times in Nephi Land...
Yer really fueling the "Left"! Goggins ain't gonna like that, Bro... Love to see you gaining all of this experience. Wouldn't hurt to, "listen to yourself." Warm regards, Roger
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:Why are you all so surprised that Mitty boy is dodging reporters questions about the Mormons. Reporters are not stupid, they are some of the smartest people there are. Mitty's got to dodge their questions, he has to flip flop he can't come right out and answer anything thing they ask because the Mormon church is just too weird too, too weird, icky, gross, sick disgusting, strange. I do not know why we are so worried about him. I'm not. I know many people that would never vote for a Mormon because of polygamy. Just the other day it came up on the TODAY show that the Mormon church would not allow African Americans to hold the priesthood until 1978...Now Mitty will not be getting the Black vote, not that he was going to get it anyway. CLinton's going to get the black vote.
1st of all he is republican...2nd because he is Mormon.....so no black people will be voting for him....
So who will be voting for Mitty.....Mormons...there is not enough Mormons to vote him in....not all Mormons will be voting for him either, because they have to much to loose....
So my question is WHO will actually vote for MITTY boy????
Once again for your enligthenment I will point out the 42% of Americans say the will never vote for Hillary. 34% say they will not vote for a Mormon. So more Americans view Hillary in a negative light then they do a Mormon.
OUT OF MY MISERY wrote:Why are you all so surprised that Mitty boy is dodging reporters questions about the Mormons. Reporters are not stupid, they are some of the smartest people there are. Mitty's got to dodge their questions, he has to flip flop he can't come right out and answer anything thing they ask because the Mormon church is just too weird too, too weird, icky, gross, sick disgusting, strange. I do not know why we are so worried about him. I'm not. I know many people that would never vote for a Mormon because of polygamy. Just the other day it came up on the TODAY show that the Mormon church would not allow African Americans to hold the priesthood until 1978...Now Mitty will not be getting the Black vote, not that he was going to get it anyway. CLinton's going to get the black vote.
1st of all he is republican...2nd because he is Mormon.....so no black people will be voting for him....
So who will be voting for Mitty.....Mormons...there is not enough Mormons to vote him in....not all Mormons will be voting for him either, because they have to much to loose....
So my question is WHO will actually vote for MITTY boy????
Once again for your enligthenment I will point out the 42% of Americans say the will never vote for Hillary. 34% say they will not vote for a Mormon. So more Americans view Hillary in a negative light then they do a Mormon.
A Mormon, yes. Romney though is another question.
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