Mormon at ages 11, 15, 24 is really Joseph Smith Jr., in disguise!

[TapirDangerDan]

I suppose Joseph Smith III was Moroni.

And Joseph Smith knew he was a 1000 year old descendant of Lehi - or someone - when not one of us can trace our family history back to 1023.

[TapirDangerDan]

Shulem’s fantasy concludes Joseph Smith wrote The Book of Mormon.

Shulem’s fantasy means Joseph Smith made up the Pearl of Great Price.

Shulem’s fantasy means Joseph Smith made up the elaborate story of angels and gold plates and what not and creating and leading a church, fooling his family, parents, siblings, wife, followers, getting murdered by a mob at age 38 falling from a window being again shot and bayoneted and convincing people to suffer hardships, get killed at a mill, walk across Missouri destitute of lands and belongings stolen in the middle of winter to Illinois, erect towns, cities, temples, cross the great plains in wagons, handcarts, cross oceans, march in a battalion across the desert southwest, even form a church and community in Utah, AZ, Mexico, Canada, across every Continent excluding Antarctica. Even create a Reorganized Church.

Shulem’s fantasy requires him to sit on his phat phanny in front of his computer hooked up to an IP address.

[TapirDangerDan]

Shulem spends hours with his fantasies.

As an excuse to not spend two hours on Sundays to partake of the sacrament.

Shulem = sunk cost
Shulem = opportunity lost

[Shulem]

I suppose Joseph Smith III was Moroni.

It's possible that while Smith was dictating the story to Oliver Cowdery that he imagined Moroni as his own son who would carry the torch and possess the sacred records for his own safekeeping.

And Joseph Smith knew he was a 1000 year old descendant of Lehi - or someone - when not one of us can trace our family history back to 1023.

It's not possible that Joseph Smith could have known such a thing. However, he was welcome to believe whatever he wanted but belief in something fantastic does not require evidence or proof. Mormonism offers speeches and testimony but not physical evidence or proof to back their claims.

[Shulem]

Shulem’s fantasy concludes Joseph Smith wrote The Book of Mormon.

Smith did not write the Book of Mormon. He authored it while dictating to his scribes.

Shulem’s fantasy means Joseph Smith made up the Pearl of Great Price.

I had no influence on Joseph Smith because I was not around when he made up the Pearl of Great Price. My personal fantasies about Smith change nothing. It is what it is. And he made up the Pearl of Great Price, with or without me!

[Shulem]

Shulem spends hours with his fantasies.

As do we all.

As an excuse to not spend two hours on Sundays to partake of the sacrament.

Shulem = sunk cost
Shulem = opportunity lost

Those are acceptable losses! And you are welcome to have my empty spot on the pew.

Enjoy the meetings.

[Kishkumen]

You're much too kind, Kishy. "l'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe." (Jango Fett)

But bringing these issues up on this board will generate some attention and act as a direct challenge to the apologists who defend their faith in all things Mormonism. But clearly we see there will be divisions on whether the parallels are accepted as genuine or just coincidence. That is where the leaders of the Church are supposed to provide direction but they will continue to allow divisions among their members -- case in point, Book of Mormon geography.

President Nelson is another tired Mormon prophet want-to-be who has nothing new to offer the saints. It's time for him to go now. He's done. His time is about to expire and then another tired prophet want-to-be will take his place. One who does not prophesy or provide answers to questioning members. Mormonism is on the verge of splitting up and going into all kinds of directions. I hope this thread helps sow division among lurking saints who manage to take a seat in this room, listen up, and consider the contents of this thread in all seriousness.

I am thinking of starting a small publishing house, so let me know if you change your mind. Brought together, these insights would make for fascinating and informative reading.

[Shulem]

Record keeper Ammaron is mentioned in General Conference for the first time by a member of the First Presidency in April of 1928 wherein President Ivins makes quite an effort in explaining the nature of the plates and how they were preserved and processed for safekeeping. His talk is given in the NINETY-EIGHT ANNUAL CONFERENCE edition and is broken down by sections as he relates the importance of the recent acquisition of the Hill Cumorah:

OF MORE THAN ORDINARY IMPORTANCE
TWO SETS OF PLATES
CAREFULLY PRESERVED
AMMARON TO Mormon (auto spell prevents capitalizing Mormon)
YEARS OF CONSTANT WAR
IN THE HILL CUMORAH
THE FINAL DISPOSITION
PART OF THE RECORD SEALED
FROM THE BOOK OF ETHER
AWAITING THE TIME
UNTIL THE LAST

The point I wish to make is there is absolutely no mention of any parallels between Mormon and Joseph Smith with regard to the events and ages of 11-15-24 even though Ivins quotes extensively from Mormon chapter one. Never was there a better opportunity for a member of the First Presidency to testify before the entire Church of the parallels existing between Mormon and Smith than in this talk and yet we get nothing.

So, why are the eyes of our friend Don Bradley open to the parallels when the eyes of the prophets, seers, and revelators remain closed and are blinded to the fact "There are unquestionably parallels" within the text that expose Mormon and Smith playing the same game? How is it that Don Bradley has been able to decipher hidden meanings of the scriptures when the prophets cannot?

[Shulem]

Actually, I left the church in part because I thought all religious had spiritual experiences, and that these all contradicted each other, which made me think these experiences were merely subjective. I subsequently came to see that, in fact, the mystics in virtually all religions have massive agreement between their spiritual experiences, suggesting that they were perceiving something real.

Don

Therefore, my friend, I invite you to enjoy this 15 minute video (selected especially for you) into a Spiritual Dive that will enlighten you and aid you in understanding Joseph Smith's motivations for his pious fraud.

How Beliefs Shape Your Perception And The Reality You Experience

[Shulem]

President Romney gave an interesting sermon entitled Priesthood Responsibilities in a general priesthood meeting that was addressed especially to the youth in April 1978. He even mentioned Ammaron who spiritually commissioned the plates to young Mormon and notes that there are noble callings given to young men by God to do great things.

In case some of you Aaronic Priesthood bearers feel that you are too young to assume the responsibility of your calling, consider these quotations from the writings of Mormon:

“About the time that Ammaron hid up the records unto the Lord, he came unto me, (I being about ten years of age, … ) and … said unto me: …

“When ye are about twenty and four years old I would that ye should remember the things that ye have observed concerning this people; and … go to the … hill which shall be called Shim; and there have I deposited … the sacred engravings concerning this people. …

“Take the plates of Nephi … and … engrave on [them] all the things that ye have observed concerning this people.” (Morm. 1:2–4.)

No specific parallel is given between Mormon and Smith. Romney only mentions Mormon at age 10 when he first met Ammaron but said nothing about age 11 when he was carried southward by his father. Since, age 11 is key to the parallel's combination (11-15-24), clearly Romney is not accessing the hidden parallel contained in the text! Neither does Romney make a comparison between Mormon and Smith both being twenty four years old when they processed and translated plates.

These instructions Mormon received when he was but ten years old.

Five years later he wrote:

“And I, being fifteen years of age … , there began to be a war again between the Nephites and the Lamanites. And notwithstanding I being young, was large in stature; therefore the people of Nephi appointed me … the leader of their armies.

“Therefore it came to pass that in my sixteenth year I did go forth at the head of an army of the Nephites, against the Lamanites.” (Morm. 1:15; 2:1–2.)

It would seem that an Aaronic Priesthood bearer inclined to hesitate to perform the duties of his office because of his youth could take courage from the exploits of Mormon.

In his youth Joseph Smith, the prophet, exhibited all the noble virtues other boys who became great men have evidenced during their Aaronic Priesthood-age years. He possessed the morality demonstrated by Joseph in Egypt, the courage of Daniel, the faith of Nephi, and the reliability of Mormon.

At fourteen years of age, he had the faith to act upon the promise of James: “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” (James 1:5.)

So acting, he received his first vision.

It seems we now begin to get a reference to a parallel between Mormon and Smith except for the fact that Romney said nothing about Mormon being "visited of the Lord." He left out the part of Mormon being visited and how he tasted and knew of the goodness of Jesus! Romney was more focused on Mormon's prowess in becoming a military leader at the age of 16 and was apt to let his listeners hone in on that point. But to Romney's credit he later cites parts of Joseph Smith's testimony about when he was visited as "an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age." Romney encourages the Aaronic Priesthood to be uplifted in knowing that virtues had by prophets of old are worth following today as the Lord calls us to the work.

But, the parallel combination 11-15-24 was NOT unlocked or expressed by President Romney or any other Church President for that matter!

That information is dependent on people like me (Shulem) or perhaps, Don Bradley!

Where is Don?

Don! Where are uuuuuuuuuuuu?



How about Philo? Is he still ponderizing?