Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 8:25 pm
I'm just worried that he's going to surpass me in wordiness...
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Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 8:42 pm
I don’t have the vocabulary. I’d run out of words long before you!Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 8:55 pm
Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 7:43 am
You're welcome.
Would you see it differently if it was any polygamy-starter other than Joseph Smith, Jr.?Obvious to you. Others in the room may see it differently.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:36 amMy problems with Hales are similar. His conclusions regarding polygamy are especially problematic, because he draws every possible conclusion except the obvious one: Joseph's libido inspired him to make the whole thing up so he could satisfy said libido.
Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 5:21 pm
I suppose I would look at it case by case. I feel differently about John C. Bennett’s spiritual wifery then Joseph’s plural marriage arrangements.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:43 amYou're welcome.
Would you see it differently if it was any polygamy-starter other than Joseph Smith, Jr.?Obvious to you. Others in the room may see it differently.
Mohammad? Not sure. I’d have to know more. And there are others…
I know enough about Joseph Smith by way of the ‘larger picture’ so I am able to make a better judgement. And I don’t think it was simply a matter of libido on his part.
This is a discussion that has been had, again and again, and has made trips around the block hundreds if not thousands of times since the early days of the church. I’m not interested in another walk around the block.
I think we each have our own views and have arrived at different conclusions, and that’s fine.
Regards,
MG
Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 5:55 pm
It goes back to that problem of starting with an assumption that one's particular type of religious inclination requires one to conclude. It's an egregious error to make, and is only compounded by statements like this:Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:36 amMy problems with Hales are similar. His conclusions regarding polygamy are especially problematic, because he draws every possible conclusion except the obvious one: Joseph's libido inspired him to make the whole thing up so he could satisfy said libido.Kishkumen wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 5:11 pmIn my experience, Hales is a frustrating interlocutor. I am sure he means well, and he is not a bad guy, but his tactics are pretty slippery. He straw mans his opponents, and his own arguments are recycled. His Joseph couldn’t have done this ergo God arguments are his usual go-to approach.
No, it's not. Better peer review would help, but then again, it's published in the Interpreter.brianhales wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 11:46 am...I just thought I'd throw in an additional piece of the puzzle that is historical and as factual as we can achieve these days...
Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:31 am
That's a very, VERY good point.Marcus wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 5:55 pmNo, it's not. Better peer review would help, but then again, it's published in the Interpreter.brianhales wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 11:46 am...I just thought I'd throw in an additional piece of the puzzle that is historical and as factual as we can achieve these days...
Re: Lars Nielsen's "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass"
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 12:32 pm
I second Dr. Shades’s sentiment.