Certain people can't ever get it right

[mentalgymnast]

Someone missed the point of your post, Chap.

pg. twelve of this thread. Time stamp: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:41 pm

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

From which you can assume that I don't think anyone is a binary thinker by default.

My bad. I thought that was obvious.

It was. You may be mistaken though. See my previous post.

I'll wait until you respond to my whole post.

[Lem]

You're pretending I said something that I didn't--then you replied to it. You dishonestly misrepresented what I actually said. Even employing an ellipsis, you had to change my words to get that. Please don't do this. It's wrong on so many levels. You've been called on this before.

Yes, mentalgymnast has. Repeatedly.

One last word. When you're criticized on this board, you often take shelter in the idea that we're criticizing all believers. We're not. We're criticizing your (MG's) beliefs, as you express them here. Failing that, you seek refuge in the concept that we're mocking God. We're not. We're mocking the arguments you (MG) are making.

Usually, I'd advise folks to not take the things people say personally. But, in this case, I'd appreciate if you would personalize this. I'm not responding to the church--or God--or other believers, I'm responding to you, personally, and the things you're typing out and posting on this board.

even after this, he misrepresented your post. He's cementing his reputation as a derailing troll.

[mentalgymnast]

I don’t need to travel to Syria. I can walk to the daily newspaper that came just today.

Had you been born in the middle east and lived there your whole life, you would have walked to the daily newspaper there and believed whatever it told you about western politics and religion, and you would have realized that you didn't need to investigate any further. This is hardly startling, MG.

This may be true. Sadly. Fortunately, I have a greater breadth and depth of vision because of my circumstances. As do you.

Where much is given much is expected. Including speaking truth based upon additional information and education.

Regards,
MG

[Lem]

It was. You may be mistaken though. See my previous post.

I'll wait until you respond to my whole post.

Mg has now fake-responded to multiple posts, in some cases the same post two or three times, in order to avoid your post. I'm curious if he will actually respond to you in full. He really is working hard to avoid it.

[Morley]

I'll wait until you respond to my whole post.

Mg has now fake-responded to multiple posts, in some cases the same post two or three times, in order to avoid your post. I'm curious if he will actually respond to you in full. He really is working hard to avoid it.

Yeah, I think he wants to change the subject.

[mentalgymnast]

You're pretending I said something that I didn't--then you replied to it. You dishonestly misrepresented what I actually said. Even employing an ellipsis, you had to change my words to get that. Please don't do this. It's wrong on so many levels. You've been called on this before.

Yes, mentalgymnast has. Repeatedly.

One last word. When you're criticized on this board, you often take shelter in the idea that we're criticizing all believers. We're not. We're criticizing your (MG's) beliefs, as you express them here. Failing that, you seek refuge in the concept that we're mocking God. We're not. We're mocking the arguments you (MG) are making.

Usually, I'd advise folks to not take the things people say personally. But, in this case, I'd appreciate if you would personalize this. I'm not responding to the church--or God--or other believers, I'm responding to you, personally, and the things you're typing out and posting on this board.

even after this, he misrepresented your post. He's cementing his reputation as a derailing troll.

This is what was said without the ellipses:

Morley:
Tell me what I think, and how smart or simple-minded I am, and how it all makes me a binary thinker. No, really--this is just like getting my fortune told.

It's more than amusing how everyone who disagrees with you eventually gets called a binary thinker.

I’m suggesting that we’re all born with a default binary approach to the world. I’m also suggesting that there are various degrees to which various people move beyond that mode of thinking into a more nuanced approach/view. By inference, going by what I’ve previously said on this board, you could say that I look at some folks as being less nuanced than others. More in the realm of black and white binary thinkers. Now, is Morely strictly a binary thinker at this point in his life? I would think not. Could he have a less nuanced view of some things ‘religious’ than others. Sure. Thus, his approach will be more or less binary than someone else.

Why is this any big surprise?

I’ve made the point multiple times that, in my view, there are a lot of folks that have a hard time with Mormonism and all that it entails because their views are either distorted or restricted. This results in more or less a binary, black and white view that may get in the way of a larger and more complete/accurate view.

That’s all I’m sayin’.

by the way, your trolling comments are predictable but unhelpful. Could you knock it off? This time around I’m not going to say, “Right back atcha!”

Unless there is something worth responding to I will bow out at this time. That gives you folks the last word. Unless you say something outrageously dumb.

au revoir

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

You called it, Lem.








edit: By the way, MG: The developmental stage of Concrete Thinking is neither representative of 'binary thinking' nor 'black and white thinking.'

[Gadianton]

Fortunately, I have a greater breadth and depth of vision because of my circumstances. As do you.

The ISIS-born counterpart to MG would also sigh, full of confidence that he has a greater depth of vision having been born into his circumstances.

I’m also suggesting that there are various degrees to which various people move beyond that mode of thinking into a more nuanced approach/view.

I’ve made the point multiple times that, in my view, there are a lot of folks that have a hard time with Mormonism and all that it entails because their views are either distorted or restricted.

So in your world of MG psychology, people are born as binary thinkers, and "various" people move into "nuanced" thinking. For instance, you have moved into nuanced thinking. However, if a person has a hard time with Mormonism and all that it entails, then that is proof that said person never made the jump to nuance?

Do I have that right?

[Chap]

I'm glad we have established the point about there being a lot of deities to choose from.

But my more important problem is sketched in the posts below, which raise an issue that MG has so far not addressed: why does he need a deity in order to start teaching "principles of good behavior and loving other people and creations of this earth"? Why can't he just get on with the job himself? Does he fear that people won't pay attention to his wise advice unless he prefaces it with the words "I have this deity, who says <wise advice>"? Or what?

You see, I know quite a few people concerned to act on and propagate the kind of principles referred to by MG, and they don't seem to feel this need to tell people they are speaking on behalf of a third party whose nature and very existence many will find problematic. And I don't notice that people refuse to listen to them and say stuff like "Yeah, but that's just your opinion. Do you have a deity to back that stuff up?"

Over to MG for an answer? Why do you feel the need for a deity to enable you to teach "principles of good behavior and loving other people and creations of this earth"? Why can't you just get on and do it yourself?

gods that teach and exemplify principles of good behavior and loving other people and creations of this earth.

I've never seen a deity doing that. People, sometimes, yes.

Why can't you just get on and teach us yourself, MG? Why do you need a stuffed deity as a ventriloquist's dummy? We can see your lips move ...

Perfect example of what I’m talking about.God belief of any kind automatically makes one suspect.

What's this about you being suspect? Suspect of what exactly?

I'm just asking why, instead of getting on and teaching your fellow human beings "principles of good behavior and loving other people and creations of this earth" you feel you need a deity to do it for you.