The Term Anti-Mormon

[_honorentheos]

Hi Ceeboo,

You mistake my intent. I wasn't suggesting that the dialog end at any point in the thread. I was just curious why, after 5 pages, you mentioned to Shiloh that you still weren't sure if you were anti-Mormon though you were sure you were anti-Mormonism. Was the question a facade, a mask hiding your true thoughts? Or were you genuinely grappling with this question still?

Frankly, I think it's clear that you are anti-Mormon, but that you are trying to be a genuinely good person so you like people as people. Or atleast try to be civil towards them.

Where I'm not clear is if, when you clearly see the "Mormon" in someone, you like that aspect of them in any way, shape or form? If so, what about their Mormonism do you like or respect?

Or is it more a tolerance of the mormon-side of the person in order to see past it to the person inside?

[_honorentheos]

by the way - that's one of the reasons I'm confident you are anti-atheist. You may like people who are atheists, but I honestly don't believe there is anything about their atheism you like or respect.

[Guest]

Mainly, I'm wondering about Ceeboo's personal thoughts. He's been given 5 pages of information that ranged from the analytical to some that are almost folksy. And yet his question from the OP remained: does being anti-Mormonism make him anti-Mormon? Since no one on the board seems to be able to answer the question for him in a way that has satisfied him, it seems he's going to have to answer the question for himself. If he wants to share the answer, cool. If he doesn't want to share it, that's cool too.

I don't know if Ceeboo is satisfied with the answers given or not but it seems clear the answer depends on the definition of 'anti-mormon(ism)', which varies from person to person.

For example in my opinion being anti-Mormonism makes him anti-Mormon, because Mormonism is an integral part of being Mormon.

Mormons try and make the same distinction with homosexuals and homosexual behavior. In other words it's okay to be gay but not act gay. Is that an anti-gay stance or just an anti-gay behavior stance? Can you separate the person from his actions and condemn the later without condemning the former? I don't think so.

[_honorentheos]

Mainly, I'm wondering about Ceeboo's personal thoughts. He's been given 5 pages of information that ranged from the analytical to some that are almost folksy. And yet his question from the OP remained: does being anti-Mormonism make him anti-Mormon? Since no one on the board seems to be able to answer the question for him in a way that has satisfied him, it seems he's going to have to answer the question for himself. If he wants to share the answer, cool. If he doesn't want to share it, that's cool too.

I don't know if Ceeboo is satisfied with the answers given or not but it seems clear the answer depends on the definition of 'anti-mormon(ism)', which varies from person to person.

For example in my opinion being anti-Mormonism makes him anti-Mormon, because Mormonism is an integral part of being Mormon.

Mormons try and make the same distinction with homosexuals and homosexual behavior. In other words it's okay to be gay but not act gay. Is that an anti-gay stance or just an anti-gay behavior stance? Can you separate the person from his actions and condom the later without condemning the former? I don't think so.

I agree, Fence Sitter.

[Guest]

Can you separate the person from his actions and condom the later without condemning the former? I don't think so.

I agree, Fence Sitter.

I guess condom works almost as well as condemn.

[_hobo1512]

Jews moved into areas, and started taking over, bullying (although discreetly) their way into positions of power, and the people pushed back.

Also, when they caused problems they couldn't fix, the early Jews high tailed it out of places, and blamed it on persecution.

Let's also not forget how Jews over (often illegaly)used Habeous Corpus to get their way.

Can you blame the non jews in the crowd for being concerned, and agitated after hearing a speech like that? Get real.

Shalom

As usual, apples and oranges.

Specifically the part about habeas corpus. You have no proof of that, yet we do have proof of smith and company doing it.

Sorry to burst your bubble......AGAIN

How does that sound? Many a nazi said many things about the jews. [/quote]

[_MCB]

I honestly don't believe there is anything about their atheism you like or respect.

While I respect atheist's rejection of sick religion, which is usually their excuse for being atheists.

I recently met someone who I believe is Mormon, based on his reinforcing positive aspects of Mormon values. I refuse to judge whether he is one of those people that I have difficulty with. Time will tell.

[_RockSlider]

Or is it more a tolerance of the mormon-side of the person in order to see past it to the person inside?

Speaking for my self, and maybe Ceeboo ... I think its a sadness for the person being so saddled with an unfair and unneccessary burdon that they can not see for themselves.

[_Res Ipsa]

My question to him about salvation was to dig deeper into that idea: is his problem with Mormonism that it's an ineffective form of christianity that fails the active Mormon? Or is his biggest concern that it creates atheists, a group I think he is without question anti-

In my mind, the failure of Mormonism as a Christian religion sets up ex-Mormons to become atheists. So both statements are inextricably linked. That is what both of us see as the problem.

(Edited in response to his next post.)

What specifically about Mormonism do you think leads former Mormons to become atheists?

[_Ceeboo]

Hi honor

Hi Ceeboo,

You mistake my intent.

Benefit of the doubt happily extended, friend.

I wasn't suggesting that the dialog end at any point in the thread. I was just curious why, after 5 pages, you mentioned to Shiloh that you still weren't sure if you were anti-Mormon though you were sure you were anti-Mormonism.

First, I don't recall suggesting that I was "sure" of anything. (Are you sure you are reading this thread?)

Yes, because I still am confused as to what defines an "anti-Mormon", I remain not sure if I am one.
Does this help?

Was the question a facade, a mask hiding your true thoughts?

You're not an ex-Mormon are you?

by the way, if you want to know my "true thoughts", I would be happy to share them with you on any topic. (Just like I have in answering your several questions to me in this very thread)

Frankly, I think it's clear that you are anti-Mormon

Okay, I appreciate that.

but that you are trying to be a genuinely good person so you like people as people. Or atleast try to be civil towards them.

Yes, I love people! (I am one, ya know)

Where I'm not clear is if, when you clearly see the "Mormon" in someone, you like that aspect of them in any way, shape or form? If so, what about their Mormonism do you like or respect?
Or is it more a tolerance of the mormon-side of the person in order to see past it to the person inside?

Mormon = A human being (complex, diverse, culture, deep and wide). Yes, I like many and respect many!

Mormonism = An institution that delivers and teaches patently false claims to the world. No, I do not like and I do not respect!

Hope that helps.

Peace,'
Ceeboo