Former Stake President managing MormonThink

[_why me]

why me:

David Whitmer was told by God to leave Joseph Smith's church and start another church. Is this the kind of spiritual clarity and divine communication we can expect when we purge the hatred from our hearts?

One thing that I know about david, is that he had an experience that he could not shake or deny. And he had his testimony put on his tombstone. Of course, all this was not in the MT link. And I wonder why.

[Guest]

Do you have any concept what it means: spiritual eyes?


Moses 1:11

11 But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my [b]spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him.[/b]


In the scriptures, the eye is often used as a symbol of a person’s ability to receive the light of God. Symbolically, a person’s eye also shows spiritual condition and an understanding of the things of God.

http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/search?la ... es&x=6&y=7

Do you understand the meaning of spiritual eyes?

You bring up an interesting passage we get from Joseph. It is especially interesting in regards to his claims, as well as others like Harris, D.W., and Oliver.

[_Themis]

One thing that I know about david, is that he had an experience that he could not shake or deny. And he had his testimony put on his tombstone. Of course, all this was not in the MT link. And I wonder why.

It would mean more if this was not something that happened to others in other religions. Joseph was practiced in his early days of treasure hunting in getting others to see what is not there. There are many ways people can use to get people to have these kind of experiences.

[_hobo1512]

Damn, the Mormon god hung up on me, all I got is a dial tone. Guess I'll have to try for the answer(s) again.

Don't bother...someday it will all be clear to you. It is sad that you spend day after day with such hatred in your heart. I think that you should see a priest and discuss with him ways to get the moot from your eyes.

LMAO, if there was ever a case for Pot meet kettle, there it is folks...

Why should I see a priest? Who said I was Catholic? I never did. You did though, even though it is obvious you aren't.

Don't you get tired of being a liar and a hypocrite? Let's not forget anti-Catholic, anti-Semetic, and functionally illiterate.

By the way, how are those imaginary nuns and priests you hang out with? Anyone else been able to see them yet?

Shalom

[_hobo1512]

The Book of Mormon mentions those things too. It must be legitimate using your reasoning.

Ok, so lets add reading comprehension to the other subjects you are not good at. Of course the Book of Mormon mentions those places. The majority of the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from the Bible....Duh

Wanna try again?

We don't know where the hill Cumorah is. Wow, you really aren't very knowledgable about Mormonism at all.

Again, reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. I never said that. But morg central won't excavate (that means dig) at hill cumorah, but yet they are digging in Central America. Totally illogical since the first presidency has already stated in a letter that hill cumorah is/was the place to be.

Try to keep up ok.

Maybe because he didn't get a witness of God first. Seems to be a common problem with the critics and former Mormons.

A full blown TBM that sets out to proves the critics wrong, and ends up finding out that Mormonism is bunk, and you think he didn't have a witness? Wow, your powers of knowing another's soul are amazing aren't they. You should use them for good instead of evil.

Let me know when you can make a coherent argument ok.

I'm rooting for you little buddy.

Shalom

[_RockSlider]

One thing that I know about david, is that he had an experience that he could not shake or deny. And he had his testimony put on his tombstone. Of course, all this was not in the MT link. And I wonder why.

It's my understanding that MT would be glad to add any research/input that the faithful side would care to add ... so Why Me ... why don't you submit your faithful side facts/history/references?

I'm sure they would add them.

[_hobo1512]

Your Mormon god won't answer me. I've left message after message, and was even on hold for an eternity, and got nothin.....nadda.....zip.....zilch.

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Gosh I wonder why? It could be your attitude or your hatred for things Mormon. Or it could be that you see things through your temporal eyes.

Hatred? What, you're a mind reader now?

What I am demonstrating cannot be considered hatred toward Mormonism when we look at your hatred toward Catholicism.

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?

[_hobo1512]

Why didn't the Mormon god let anyone else see them with their real eyes instead of their "spiritual eyes"?

In the CONTEXT of good ol joe and his cronies, spiritual eyes means we're pulling a con, and duping these rubes.

Duh

[_Tobin]

The Book of Mormon mentions those things too. It must be legitimate using your reasoning.

Ok, so lets add reading comprehension to the other subjects you are not good at. Of course the Book of Mormon mentions those places. The majority of the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from the Bible....Duh

Funny, I wasn't the one that brought up the point that the Bible is more legitmate than the Book of Mormon because it took place in locations we can identify. Seems the Book of Mormon shares the same heritage in that it took place in some locations we can ALSO identify. It must therefore be legitimate ACCORDING to you.

We don't know where the hill Cumorah is. Wow, you really aren't very knowledgable about Mormonism at all.

Again, reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. I never said that. But morg central won't excavate (that means dig) at hill cumorah, but yet they are digging in Central America. Totally illogical since the first presidency has already stated in a letter that hill cumorah is/was the place to be.

That's special. Mormon hill isn't the hill Cumorah and don't quote GA's to me since I really could care less. Neither Joseph Smith nor the Angel Moroni referred to Mormon hill as such.

Maybe because he didn't get a witness of God first. Seems to be a common problem with the critics and former Mormons.

A full blown TBM that sets out to proves the critics wrong, and ends up finding out that Mormonism is bunk, and you think he didn't have a witness? Wow, your powers of knowing another's soul are amazing aren't they. You should use them for good instead of evil.

Yes, if God had told him face-to-face it was true, he would have wasted a lot less time.

I don't think you are the one keeping up here since you seem to miss the most obvious of my points.

[_Chap]

On place names:

(1) In the Bible:

The historical portions of the Bible refer to events which, to a considerable extent, are said to have taken place in named locations, many of which can be identified as really having existed, and which are in plausible localities for the events described to have occurred there. That contributes to the general impression that some parts of the Bible have some historical value.

(2) In the Book of Mormon:

(a) Old World place names also mentioned in the Bible
It seems most probable that such references are simply derived from Biblical sources. Their presence in the Book of Mormon contributes nothing to establishing its historicity. It just suggests that its author had a Bible around.

(b) Supposed New World place names
Not a single one can be identified as having actually referred to a real location. This fact strengthens the impression that the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction.