I have a question wrote:http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed
1. No first century secular evidence whatsoever exists to support the actuality of Yeshua ben Yosef.
2. The earliest New Testament writers seem ignorant of the details of Jesus’ life, which become more crystalized in later texts.
3. Even the New Testament stories don’t claim to be first-hand accounts.
4. The gospels, our only accounts of a historical Jesus, contradict each other.
5. Modern scholars who claim to have uncovered the real historical Jesus depict wildly different persons.
KevinSim wrote:Matthew 27:46 quotes Jesus as He hung on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" If people attempting to start a faith tradition were fabricating out of thin air the story of their central character, why in the world would they include a quote that makes it sound like Her/His God is forsaking that central character, when S/He needs that God most?
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RedJacket wrote: I'd expect the use of historic people and places that more or less existed as a backdrop for a largely fictional story.
Is it your opinion that the New Testament is absent of historic people and places for the time period?
Nope, you quoted me above saying that historic people and places were probably used.
I quoted your stated expectation in reply to my question.
Did I miss part of your post?
I thought you were asking again because you put your question after my answer rather than before it in your post. That's my answer to your question, you didn't miss anything.
RedJacket wrote:I thought you were asking again because you put your question after my answer rather than before it in your post. That's my answer to your question, you didn't miss anything.
Your statement was in response to the second of two questions I posed.
I replied to your statement with yet another question.
So, asking again.
Is it your opinion that the New Testament is absent of historic people and places for the time period?
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RedJacket wrote:I thought you were asking again because you put your question after my answer rather than before it in your post. That's my answer to your question, you didn't miss anything.
Your statement was in response to the second of two questions I posed.
I replied to your statement with yet another question.
So, asking again.
Is it your opinion that the New Testament is absent of historic people and places for the time period?
I responded to that question with the answer.
Nope, you quoted me above saying that historic people and places were probably used.
I don't think the New Testament is absent of historic people and places. For the time period? Some of them may have been, but there is also room for a lot of error as the community developing the gospels based on a likely Q became more detached in both time and location from the setting for the story.
You wrote, "Nope, you quoted me above saying that historic people and places were probably used."
I see nowhere in your post, any indication of your saying that historic people and places were probably used.
RedJacket wrote: I'd expect the use of historic people and places that more or less existed as a backdrop for a largely fictional story.
I've underlined above the place in my quote where I stated that historic people and places, that probably existed, were used as a backdrop within a made up story about a guy ascending to heaven.