Current GA Being Accused of Child Abuse; the 12 Ignore It

[_mentalgymnast]

It would appear that you think she has an agenda.

Hi again Jersey,

I don't know for sure. Like I've said, I really don't know what she's all about. As I've said elsewhere, I haven't run across someone like her before. I have stated that I think she portrays/manifests some of the characteristics that I think are 'troll-like'.

Beyond that, I don't want to get into a conversation about her.

Regards,
MG

[_Jersey Girl]

It would appear that you think she has an agenda.

Hi again Jersey,

I don't know for sure. Like I've said, I really don't know what she's all about. As I've said elsewhere, I haven't run across someone like her before. I have stated that I think she portrays/manifests some of the characteristics that I think are 'troll-like'.

Beyond that, I don't want to get into a conversation about her.

Regards,
MG

Just do it for me, okay? In an earlier post, I asked you the following:

Do any of the following seem to fit your experiences with Lemmie?

1. She's like a dog with a bone.
2. She's crazy.
3. She's like a Pit Bull who won't let go.
4. She's not like anyone else on the board.

[_Mary]

Ronald Kerran just finish an interview with the Middle Grounders. https://www.Facebook.com/middlegroundersmedia/?fref=ts and http://www.860utahsbigtalker.com/

Kerran referenced some of the questions asked back to the "releases" he is going to be doing. One thing I found of interest was that the way he gained custody of his kids was the McKonkie attorney was trying to play some custody tricks and got caught in a lie. He says he has this recorded and will be releasing it.

The biggest question I have that was not asked is, what witnesses are there to the statement that Mickelson made, that children were being promiscuous with him. Then what is the definition of promiscuous. Is this Mickelson's way of saying that children were trying to grab his junk and that he was like wtf? Or is this Mickelson's way of blaming the victim.

I can see this going a couple of different ways. It could be a case of Mickelson actually trying to get people to understand that a child was acting inappropriately toward him and Kerran not understanding, or Mickelson is a a pedophile, or something else.

Kerran says more releases are to come and one is an interview of his daughter. It will be interesting to see what she has to say.

The guy should just shotgun approach this and let everyone dig through his "evidence". But what do I know.

Much appreciated. Being here in the UK I was unable to listen to this.

[_Maksutov]

Beyond that, I don't want to get into a conversation about her.

Regards,
MG

Now that you've trashed her, you don't want to discuss her. Run away, brave Sir Robin.

[_mentalgymnast]

Beyond that, I don't want to get into a conversation about her.

Regards,
MG

Now that you've trashed her, you don't want to discuss her. Run away, brave Sir Robin.

Tell you what Mak and/or Jersey Girl, if you can go back to the thread in question and show that I lied...and not only lied, but repeatedly lied...as she accused me of over and over again to say, I'll listen to you. Even after her first accusation was made and I clarified things for her...it was as if she was blind and couldn't see.

Anyway, I'll wait for your return and report. Please don't take anything out of context. I obviously had things to say in the middle of it all. I think I kept relatively calm during the whole thing. Although later I did call her a troll.

I think it was warranted. My accusation stands. She was trolling.

troll:
a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory...messages in an online community...with the deliberate intent of provoking/inciting readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion often for their own amusement.

Calling a person a liar over and over again without anything to really back it up seems to fall within that categorization.

Anyway, chapter and verse?

Regards,
MG

[_Maksutov]

Calling a person a liar over and over again without anything to really back it up seems to fall within that categorization.

Anyway, chapter and verse?

Regards,
MG

How many times do we have to go through this routine with you? How about you back up about six months and start answering all the questions and slabs of information that you evaded, from multiple posters, over multiple threads. Always the same crap. You throw what you can against the wall to see what sticks and dare the rest of us to disprove it. When people come at you with references and evidence, you flip, qualify, throw out links to FAIR that don't pan out and move on to pretend like it never happened. Over and over and over. And the sickening smilies all over everything, like your little HeartSell efforts are going to cover up the lack of arguments and the disingenuous, dishonest parsing, evading, deflecting, whining and now slamming other people for calling you on it. Start answering for that before you think you can call others to account for accurately describing you.

[_AmyJo]

Ronald Kerran just finish an interview with the Middle Grounders. https://www.Facebook.com/middlegroundersmedia/?fref=ts and http://www.860utahsbigtalker.com/

Kerran referenced some of the questions asked back to the "releases" he is going to be doing. One thing I found of interest was that the way he gained custody of his kids was the McKonkie attorney was trying to play some custody tricks and got caught in a lie. He says he has this recorded and will be releasing it.

The biggest question I have that was not asked is, what witnesses are there to the statement that Mickelson made, that children were being promiscuous with him. Then what is the definition of promiscuous. Is this Mickelson's way of saying that children were trying to grab his junk and that he was like wtf? Or is this Mickelson's way of blaming the victim.

I can see this going a couple of different ways. It could be a case of Mickelson actually trying to get people to understand that a child was acting inappropriately toward him and Kerran not understanding, or Mickelson is a a pedophile, or something else.

Kerran says more releases are to come and one is an interview of his daughter. It will be interesting to see what she has to say.

The guy should just shotgun approach this and let everyone dig through his "evidence". But what do I know.

I checked out both these links you provided. The Facebook one is a radio interview scheduled for tomorrow. I couldn't find the interview you referred to on it. The Middle Grounders host said he will post the radio interview in coming days but it won't be immediately available for Facebook viewing until sometime next week. The radio interview will be live streamed upon airing tomorrow live at 10 a.m. MST.

The 2nd link was mostly to do with national politics or national/world news. Couldn't find any reference to Mr. Karran on that either. Not even a search key to look it up.

Well, I'll listen in to the radio interview tomorrow to see what else he has to say in addition to his previous recorded tape he's made on the subject.

I'm wondering why he wants to run with it now, rather than years ago, when his daughter was still very young? He says she is the one behind his efforts now - but that awaits to be seen. For cases like theirs publicity could be a good thing, it could also generate so much negative publicity that it could sabotage any good that might otherwise have come from her getting help from grandpa's pedophilia.

Wonder what a therapist would weigh in - shaming and secrecy are a pedophile's best friends. Letting in the sunshine and getting exposure as ugly as it may seem may still be the best thing they can do rather than be quiet - because it's silence that panders to the pedophile and to church leaders as a form of acquiescence.

[_Starbuck]

Looks like the show will air again tomorrow 2/20/2016 at 10:00 AM MST. This link http://www.860utahsbigtalker.com/ is where it can be streamed from. At least that is where it was from today. There is a streaming widget on the bottom of the site.

Ronald Kerran just finish an interview with the Middle Grounders. https://www.Facebook.com/middlegroundersmedia/?fref=ts and http://www.860utahsbigtalker.com/

Kerran referenced some of the questions asked back to the "releases" he is going to be doing. One thing I found of interest was that the way he gained custody of his kids was the McKonkie attorney was trying to play some custody tricks and got caught in a lie. He says he has this recorded and will be releasing it.

The biggest question I have that was not asked is, what witnesses are there to the statement that Mickelson made, that children were being promiscuous with him. Then what is the definition of promiscuous. Is this Mickelson's way of saying that children were trying to grab his junk and that he was like wtf? Or is this Mickelson's way of blaming the victim.

I can see this going a couple of different ways. It could be a case of Mickelson actually trying to get people to understand that a child was acting inappropriately toward him and Kerran not understanding, or Mickelson is a a pedophile, or something else.

Kerran says more releases are to come and one is an interview of his daughter. It will be interesting to see what she has to say.

The guy should just shotgun approach this and let everyone dig through his "evidence". But what do I know.

I checked out both these links you provided. The Facebook one is a radio interview scheduled for tomorrow. I couldn't find the interview you referred to on it. The Middle Grounders host said he will post the radio interview in coming days but it won't be immediately available for Facebook viewing until sometime next week. The radio interview will be live streamed upon airing tomorrow live at 10 a.m. MST.

The 2nd link was mostly to do with national politics or national/world news. Couldn't find any reference to Mr. Karran on that either. Not even a search key to look it up.

Well, I'll listen in to the radio interview tomorrow to see what else he has to say in addition to his previous recorded tape he's made on the subject.

I'm wondering why he wants to run with it now, rather than years ago, when his daughter was still very young? He says she is the one behind his efforts now - but that awaits to be seen. For cases like theirs publicity could be a good thing, it could also generate so much negative publicity that it could sabotage any good that might otherwise have come from her getting help from grandpa's pedophilia.

Wonder what a therapist would weigh in - shaming and secrecy are a pedophile's best friends. Letting in the sunshine and getting exposure as ugly as it may seem may still be the best thing they can do rather than be quiet - because it's silence that panders to the pedophile and to church leaders as a form of acquiescence.

[_mentalgymnast]

How many times do we have to go through this routine with you? How about you back up about six months and start answering all the questions and slabs of information that you evaded, from multiple posters, over multiple threads.

Apparently you're not going to take my challenge? Mak, I can only answer the questions that I can answer. I can't answer the ones that I can't. Kind of elementary, really. I try to answer or at least give my opinion on a wide range of subjects. Probably more than some people would like.

Always the same s***. You throw what you can against the wall to see what sticks and dare the rest of us to disprove it.

You think this is why I throw stuff against the wall? Wrong. I am sincerely interested in getting different perspectives. Sometimes folks have something interesting to say and other times they simply start bad mouthing one thing or another.

When people come at you with references and evidence, you flip, qualify, throw out links to FAIR that don't pan out and move on to pretend like it never happened.

I think that at times the links that I may refer people to DO show that there are reasonable alternative viewpoints that bring God/faith back into the picture. Some folks don't like/want that. I get it.

Over and over and over.

That's the beauty of living in these times. Freedom of expression. I appreciated Shades and his willingness to let that happen on this board. Opinions/expressions should not be squelched.

And the sickening smilies all over everything...

Generally, I put smilies in where I would smile if the conversation was being carried on in real life. I smile when I'm talking to people.

...like your little HeartSell efforts are going to cover up the lack of arguments and the disingenuous, dishonest parsing, evading, deflecting, whining and now slamming other people for calling you on it.

I'm NOT being disingenuous and/or dishonest. You saying it, or Lemmie saying it over and over again in ONE thread, doesn't make it true. Parsing...at times. Evading...if I don't know an answer or have an opinion on something, I'll back out or leave it alone. Deflecting...yeah, sometimes I'll do that. But others do the same thing. Whining...no, I don't whine. I do point out when I think something unfair/unwarranted/disrespectful is going on. People calling out others for perceived wrongs/misdoings doesn't make those 'wrongs'/misdoings a reality. Sometimes people just make stuff up when they themselves are feeling up against the wall, etc.

Start answering for that before you think you can call others to account for accurately describing you.

I see that you are evading the specific accusation that I've made against Lemmie. I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is and prove that I am somehow wrong in this case.

Who knows? Maybe I am and have cause to apologize. If so, I will.

Regards,
MG

[_Tobin]

I'm still waiting for Maksutov to explain this MG-Tobin alliance. as far as I know I'm pretty critical of MG. Or maybe that is just more made up crap from Maksutov because he just likes to lie?