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The Mike Quinn/gossip fiasco: What was DCP guilty of?

 
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_Daniel Peterson
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In company with his mentor Scratch Senior, to whom I no longer respond, Scratch Junior (a.k.a. "Rollo Tomasi") is eager, on another thread, to reopen discussion of the endlessly intriguing matter of the vicious smear campaign against Mike Quinn in which I'm alleged to have been actively involved. I won't be here to play with him, but, for his convenience, I'm topping this thread, which has been consecrated to that all-consuming purpose. I have no doubt that many extremely important things remain to be said about this vital topic. In fact, even if they're not true, I'm convinced that they need to be said hundreds and hundreds of times, if not thousands and millions of times.

There is a hunger, not only here but among people everywhere, to hear much more about this epic saga.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:In company with his mentor Scratch Senior, to whom I no longer respond, Scratch Junior (a.k.a. "Rollo Tomasi") is eager, on another thread, to reopen discussion of the endlessly intriguing matter of the vicious smear campaign against Mike Quinn in which I'm alleged to have been actively involved. I won't be here to play with him, but, for his convenience, I'm topping this thread, which has been consecrated to that all-consuming purpose. I have no doubt that many extremely important things remain to be said about this vital topic. In fact, even if they're not true, I'm convinced that they need to be said hundreds and hundreds of times, if not thousands and millions of times.

There is a hunger, not only here but among people everywhere, to hear much more about this epic saga.

My only hope is that in your role as bishop you'll act with more discretion than that exhibited by Quinn's SP when it comes to members' private sex lives. Whether you'll continue to engage in juicy gossip among your non-bishop "circles," however, remains to be seen.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Daniel Peterson wrote:In company with his mentor Scratch Senior, to whom I no longer respond, Scratch Junior (a.k.a. "Rollo Tomasi") is eager, on another thread, to reopen discussion of the endlessly intriguing matter of the vicious smear campaign against Mike Quinn in which I'm alleged to have been actively involved. I won't be here to play with him, but, for his convenience, I'm topping this thread, which has been consecrated to that all-consuming purpose. I have no doubt that many extremely important things remain to be said about this vital topic. In fact, even if they're not true, I'm convinced that they need to be said hundreds and hundreds of times, if not thousands and millions of times.

There is a hunger, not only here but among people everywhere, to hear much more about this epic saga.


Daniel, I am not sure this a good idea. There is something nauseating about seeing you hold a donut while you talk about gay men.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:My only hope is that in your role as bishop you'll act with more discretion than that exhibited by Quinn's SP when it comes to members' private sex lives. Whether you'll continue to engage in juicy gossip among your non-bishop "circles," however, remains to be seen.

I'm aware of nothing to suggest that Quinn's stake president acted indiscreetly or violated any confidence when he indicated his awareness of something that was widely known, and I again point out that, so far as I can tell, I'm your only source on his comment in this regard. I understand that, for your own weird and unfathomable reasons, you ardently wish to believe otherwise.

There. That should be enough to keep you going for several days, if not weeks.

Enjoy!
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Yong Xi wrote:Daniel, I am not sure this a good idea. There is something nauseating about seeing you hold a donut while you talk about gay men.

Oh. Don't worry. I won't be talking about any gay men. Scratch Junior, and perhaps even his mentor, will be doing that. They like it.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Rollo Tomasi wrote:My only hope is that in your role as bishop you'll act with more discretion than that exhibited by Quinn's SP when it comes to members' private sex lives. Whether you'll continue to engage in juicy gossip among your non-bishop "circles," however, remains to be seen.

I'm aware of nothing to suggest that Quinn's stake president acted indiscreetly or violated any confidence when he indicated his awareness of something that was widely known, and I again point out that, so far as I can tell, I'm your only source on his comment in this regard.


Bull, and you make me sick, Prof. P. In your email to Dr. Shades, you said that there had been a "sad incident" involving Quinn and another member of Hanks's "flock." Now, how, I ask you, did you find out about that??? Was the "sad incident" something that was "widely known" in your gossipmongering "circles" too?
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In case you need a memory-refresher, my dear Professor P., here is what you wrote:

Daniel Peterson wrote:Unless I’m much mistaken, Quinn’s stake president had never met Quinn when my friend spoke with him, but he was already well aware of Quinn’s sexual orientation. (And, frankly, of more than merely his orientation. A sad incident within his stake had brought the matter very painfully to the stake president’s attention.) And I don’t believe that it was my friend who raised the issue of Quinn’s homosexuality, nor even of Quinn in general. As I recall, it was the stake president, an old friend of his, who broached the subject. The visit was not about Quinn, but was simply an encounter between two long-time friends, and the topic of Mike Quinn emerged in passing.
(emphasis added)

So, here we have you fingering the SP as the principle "gossip leak" in this whole sordid affair.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I'm aware of nothing to suggest that Quinn's stake president acted indiscreetly or violated any confidence ...

The SP spoke with your friend about the sex life of a member in his stake (whom he had ex'ed in his role as SP). You don't see this as unbecoming a Church leader? Here's some advice, Bishop: Give your ward members a 'heads-up' about your relaxed attitude toward a local Church leader's discussing the sex life of a member who falls within his stewardship.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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What I can't imagine is why on earth this subject came up at all. It would be like me talking about my cousin and saying, "Oh, you know he's gay, don't you?" If it's common knowledge, why would it have come up? And if it wasn't common knowledge, why would it have come up?

I'm going to have to side with Rollo and Scratch on this one. At best this was just gossip, plain and simple.
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

Runtu wrote:I'm going to have to side with Rollo and Scratch on this one. At best this was just gossip, plain and simple.

Excellent. You can discuss it with them.

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