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[MG 2.0]

Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about. Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

Wow. Not only did mg's 'retrospective response' NOT support his earlier assertion about his list, but he has now changed the issue--see his assertion "what IS true..."

This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here, under the name "the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy."

It's a shady technique to try to shift the argument off the original claim. It's yet another example of the intellectual dishonesty used by this poster.

Marcus, you may possibly be exhibiting the following (worth giving some introspective analysis):

1. Passive-Aggressive Behavior

"Wow. Not only did mg's 'retrospective response' NOT support his earlier assertion... It's yet another example of the intellectual dishonesty used by this poster."

The exaggerated "Wow" and use of scare quotes around retrospective response mock MG's argument style. The phrase "intellectual dishonesty" is a direct, hostile accusation disguised as objective criticism.

Tactic: Sarcasm and veiled contempt under the guise of logical analysis.

2. Emotional Manipulation

"This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here... It's a shady technique to try to shift the argument."

By framing MG’s behavior as a deliberate "shady technique," the poster implies MG is deceitful and untrustworthy. This creates doubt about MG’s credibility in the eyes of others (social manipulation).

Tactic: Gaslighting (twisting MG’s intent) and invalidation (dismissing his argument as inherently dishonest).

3. Attention-Seeking Behavior

"This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here, under the name 'the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy.'"

The poster positions themselves as an authority by invoking a niche logical fallacy, signaling intellectual superiority to gain social credit or validation from others on the forum.

Tactic: Grandstanding to appear knowledgeable and "above" MG’s alleged dishonesty.

4. Pathological/Compulsive Lying

(Less applicable here unless the fallacy accusation is fabricated)

If the poster is misrepresenting MG’s argument (e.g., falsely claiming it fits the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy), this could involve deceit. However, since the fallacy itself is a real concept, the issue here is more about misapplication of logic than outright lying.

Tactic: Exaggeration or distortion of MG’s argument to fit a critical narrative.

Dominant Patterns

This comment primarily aligns with passive-aggressive behavior (mocking tone, sarcasm) and emotional manipulation (gaslighting about MG’s intent). The attention-seeking element (grandstanding) is secondary but notable.

Why This Matters

The poster is deflecting attention from their own argumentative weaknesses by:

Attacking MG’s character ("intellectual dishonesty") instead of addressing the substance of his claims.

Using jargon ("Motte-and-Bailey") to intimidate others and shift focus to MG’s perceived flaws.

Creating a false dichotomy between their "logical" stance and MG’s "shady" behavior, polarizing the discussion.

This is a common tactic in adversarial online spaces to mask insecurity, dominate conversations, and avoid accountability for one’s own arguments.

Perplexity A.I.

Marcus, same thing I've recently told Mr. Wang and IHQ. I'm not going to play into your manipulative techniques. It's gone on too long without being called out by others. Not that I would expect it to.

You're wasting our/my time. Cut it out.

Please?

I've made a number of substantive comments/arguments recently on various threads. I know you've seen them. This has been over a period of days. Yet, you ignore substance and bypass posts and simply do your trolling stuff.

I think that is reprehensible and intellectually dishonest. I've wasted part of my day with this crap. You, Wang, and IHQ are time wasters.

Huff and bluff. No substance. Ever the critic.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I cannot find the previous reference to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders that you say you have made. Please can you point me in the right direction? Also, do you have a link to your DSM source? Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

IHAQ,

Please have faith in MG. Let's reserve judgment about MG's honesty and propensity to constantly lie, until we hear from him about his DSM source.

*BUMP* for MG

*BUMP* for MG

[I Have Questions]

Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about. Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

Are you at an airport lounge "playing with me" as you did before? IHQ, you are an interesting character. All bluff and huff, and no personality or character.

Why do you not answer questions that come before you?

Are you hiding something?

Regards,
MG

I see that my trust in you was misguided <sigh>

[I Have Questions]

Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about. Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

Wow. Not only did mg's 'retrospective response' NOT support his earlier assertion about his list, but he has now changed the issue--see his assertion "what IS true..."

This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here, under the name "the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy."

It's a shady technique to try to shift the argument off the original claim. It's yet another example of the intellectual dishonesty used by this poster.

Not only is it a pattern, it’s every single time I check the facts behind his assertions. It’s so disappointing.

[Marcus]

Wow. Not only did mg's 'retrospective response' NOT support his earlier assertion about his list, but he has now changed the issue--see his assertion "what IS true..."

This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here, under the name "the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy."

It's a shady technique to try to shift the argument off the original claim. It's yet another example of the intellectual dishonesty used by this poster.

Not only is it a pattern, it’s every single time I check the facts behind his assertions. It’s so disappointing.

Indeed. And now he is on the path of accusing every poster of having the exact same 4 attributes. No one needs an A.I. response to tell them he is projecting.

ETA: He's now accusing multiple people of every possible personality problem. Projection on steroids.

[MG 2.0]

Are you at an airport lounge "playing with me" as you did before? IHQ, you are an interesting character. All bluff and huff, and no personality or character.

Why do you not answer questions that come before you?

Are you hiding something?

Regards,
MG

I see that my trust in you was misguided <sigh>

Here we have a poster that is and/or expressing:

Disingenuous Disappointment: The poster may not have genuinely trusted MG in the first place. The statement could be a performative act to undermine MG’s credibility retroactively.

Gaslighting Adjacent: By reframing past interactions as "misguided trust," the poster implicitly rewrites history, making MG doubt their own reliability (e.g., "Was I ever trustworthy?")

Self-Righteousness: The phrasing ("I see that...") implies a false posture of objectivity, as if the poster has reluctantly arrived at an undeniable truth about MG’s character.

Psychological Red Flags for this poster:

Martyr Complex: The poster paints themselves as a magnanimous figure who "gave trust" and was let down, rather than engaging in good-faith debate.

Black-and-White Thinking: Reducing MG to a "misguided" trust recipient ignores nuance and humanizes the poster as the "wronged party."

The dramatic framing and public shaming align with attention-seeking behaviors seen in narcissistic or histrionic personality traits.

This comment is not a good-faith critique-it’s a manipulative power play to:

Punish MG socially for perceived slights.

Elevate the poster’s status as a "reasonable" or "wronged" party.

Derail substantive discussion by making MG’s character the focus.
Perplexity A.I.

Yet again.

Get a life, IHQ. As I mentioned to Wang, I think you may have some psychological insecurities/issues that need to be looked at.

Probably won't happen. You're set in your ways, aren't you? (bet you won't even answer that question.)

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Not only is it a pattern, it’s every single time I check the facts behind his assertions. It’s so disappointing.

Indeed. And now he is on the path of accusing every poster of having the exact same 4 attributes. No one needs an A.I. response to tell them he is projecting.

ETA: He's now accusing multiple people of every possible personality problem. Projection on steroids.

He’s spiralling

[MG 2.0]

Indeed. And now he is on the path of accusing every poster of having the exact same 4 attributes. No one needs an A.I. response to tell them he is projecting.

ETA: He's now accusing multiple people of every possible personality problem. Projection on steroids.

He’s spiralling

Meh.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Indeed. And now he is on the path of accusing every poster of having the exact same 4 attributes. No one needs an A.I. response to tell them he is projecting.

ETA: He's now accusing multiple people of every possible personality problem. Projection on steroids.

He’s spiralling

Yes, he really is. It would be quite revealing if he were to apply his prompts to his own posts. Can you imagine? Starting with his first post of this round:

You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?

Hello to the same old players. It's been a few months since I've checked to see what is happening around here.

Not much new to shout about, huh?

Same stuff. Criticize the leaders. Money issues. Book of Mormon historicity. Purported organizational missteps. Accusations of dishonesty and evil doing. Dissing Christianity as a whole. Oh yeah, Dr. Peterson too...

Step outside and breathe. Hug a child. Serve a neighbor. Take a drive. Read a good book. Have a real life conversation. Get off the dang keyboard!

I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why? ...

And now he's offended that his increasingly offensive posts are being pointed out by members of this community. Go figure.

[MG 2.0]

He’s spiralling

Yes, he really is. It would be quite revealing if he were to apply his prompts to his own posts. Can you imagine? Starting with his first post of this round:

You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

Hello to the same old players. It's been a few months since I've checked to see what is happening around here.

Not much new to shout about, huh?

Same stuff. Criticize the leaders. Money issues. Book of Mormon historicity. Purported organizational missteps. Accusations of dishonesty and evil doing. Dissing Christianity as a whole. Oh yeah, Dr. Peterson too...

Step outside and breathe. Hug a child. Serve a neighbor. Take a drive. Read a good book. Have a real life conversation. Get off the dang keyboard!

I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why? ...

And now he's offended that his increasingly offensive posts are being pointed out by members of this community. Go figure.

Expected.

Regards,
MG