What is an anti-Mormon?

[_Shulem]

Did I say I was 'in the market" for one? I'm not. If I stumble over one in my peregrinations around the net, maybe, but someone will have to 'sell' me one, because I'm not in the 'market' to 'buy.'

Listen girl -- I said you're in the market for a new avatar and that's what you're in for. I don't care if you get it for free or have to pay top dollar. So put on a pretty dress and dolly yourself up and go get a new one.

Jesus F. Christ. Must you be so difficult?

[_Themis]

In no way was he at fault for his own murder.

He is responsible for some factors that helped lead up to the event of his death. Had he not done them the event would not have happened.

And it doesn't matter what you think of Joseph Smith, or any OTHER leader of any other group you may not like or approve of; their behavior in no way justifies their murder at another's hand. There is no legal, moral or ethical way where 'look what you made me do! flies.

If you read my posts I already beat you in saying there is no legal or moral grounds the mob had for killing Joseph. I am not stating Joseph's very bad behavior justifies being killed by a mob. Only that his bad behavior is responsible for helping to set up the event of his death. That's the idea of what goes around comes around or karma. Our actions have real affects on what happens to us.

[_Themis]

It's all in the perception, right? After all, your objection to my avatar is that YOU perceive it in a certain way. So...I perceive yours in a way that you possibly do not intend.

I haven't expressed any objection to your avatar and don't have any objection to it. Even if I don't want to perceive Shulem's avatar as anything to do with Mormonism it doesn't change the fact that it does.

[_Shulem]

In no way was he at fault for his own murder.

The son of bitch should have been shot on the spot for burning the printing press and violating the constitution in an attempt to overthrow liberty and supplant the land with himself as king of the Mormons. He was scum and an abuser of mankind and women. Joseph Smith would have just as well taken your own little 14 year old girl and knocked her up -- telling her she will lose her salvation unless she hushes and pleased him. How do you feel about that? You might think of pulling out a pistol and shooting him dead? Or perhaps you'd just let let holy horny Joe have his way with your own daughter and you'd just stand there like a fool doing nothing.

[_Niadna]

I see quite a few here that really do not have anything to do with Mormonism, including, forgive me, yours.

I am not sure what you mean. I assume you recognize his avatar picture is part of the Book of Abraham which is considered Mormon scripture, so how is does it not have at least something to do with Mormonism?

It's all in the perception, right? After all, your objection to my avatar is that YOU perceive it in a certain way. So...I perceive yours in a way that you possibly do not intend.

That is, not 'Mormonism,' but rather a straw target for you to shoot at.

Hey.

It's MY perception, and if it is your perceptions about what I post (or put as my avatar) that counts, then it is my perception about what you write...or post as your avatar...that counts.

Unless of course you are fond of double standards?

When did Themis express an objection to your avatar?

And given that Themis does not have an avatar, I am really not following your discussion here, what double standards are you referring to? When you talk about you perceiving Themis' avatar, are you actually referring to your perception of Shulem's avatar?

You are quite right. I was talking about shulem's avatar. Unless it's the other Shulem.

I goofed. I'm sorry!

[_Niadna]

Did I say I was 'in the market" for one? I'm not. If I stumble over one in my peregrinations around the net, maybe, but someone will have to 'sell' me one, because I'm not in the 'market' to 'buy.'

Listen girl -- I said you're in the market for a new avatar and that's what you're in for. I don't care if you get it for free or have to pay top dollar. So put on a pretty dress and dolly yourself up and go get a new one.

Jesus F. Christ. Must you be so difficult?

yes. It's my job.

[_Niadna]

It's all in the perception, right? After all, your objection to my avatar is that YOU perceive it in a certain way. So...I perceive yours in a way that you possibly do not intend.

I haven't expressed any objection to your avatar and don't have any objection to it. Even if I don't want to perceive Shulem's avatar as anything to do with Mormonism it doesn't change the fact that it does.

My apologies. I was not paying attention and I was referring to shulem's avatar, not yours.

[_Niadna]

In no way was he at fault for his own murder.

The son of bitch should have been shot on the spot for burning the printing press and violating the constitution in an attempt to overthrow liberty and supplant the land with himself as king of the Mormons. He was scum and an abuser of mankind and women. Joseph Smith would have just as well taken your own little 14 year old girl and knocked her up -- telling her she will lose her salvation unless she hushes and pleased him. How do you feel about that? You might think of pulling out a pistol and shooting him dead? Or perhaps you'd just let let holy horny Joe have his way with your own daughter and you'd just stand there like a fool doing nothing.

Couple of things:

Joseph Smith did not burn the printing press. He ordered it dismantled, and when the type was destroyed, he offered to pay for it because it wasn't supposed to be destroyed.The building wasn't damaged. No fire was involved and nobody was injured in the process.

.......were you confusing the Nauvoo council's act against Law's press with the Jackson County group which burned down the building in which the Mormon printing press was housed, including the dwelling of the printer's family, putting them on the street? Now THAT group did indeed destroy the press, throwing the pieces in the river, ...oh, and tortured two men, and all because the "Morning and Evening Star" published an article that said that the Mormons would indeed obey Missouri law in the matter of importing 'free people of color." They even put out an 'extra' about it. The men who did it bragged about how they did it and drove the Mormons out of Jackson County.

Do you even know what happened to the men who did that, or who they were?

Bet you don't.

Oh, and Joseph Smith didn't "knock up" any fourteen year old girls. In fact, from DNA results, it doesn't look like he 'knocked up' anybody but Emma.

Are you usually this, er, overwrought?

[_huckelberry]

Are you usually this, er, overwrought?

Niadna, I see you have found our resident antimormon. He likes to be shocking but I think he expresses what he honestly feels. I do not know a cure for his angst.

[_Shulem]

Couple of things:

That's more than a couple.

Burn, destroy, threaten, toss in the street, throw in the river -- it's all the same. Mormon God does the same thing and he's scheduled to burn a lot of people up when he comes back, to a crsip -- if he ever does show his sorry face.

I didn't say Joe-blow knocked up a 14 year old girl with an actual bastard child. Never meant that. Just implied that he could have. Besides, it wasn't their time of the month.

You know, Niadna, you're quite a lady, if you ask me.