Six Days in August D.O.A.?

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A prolific commenter on SeN has been complaining that his posts get removed. This guy posts sometimes 10 different comments just rambling on and on. It’s not surprising they get flagged as spam, since that’s essentially what they are.

He must be very upset that Dan isn’t available to approve his flagged comments.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

A prolific commenter on SeN has been complaining that his posts get removed. This guy posts sometimes 10 different comments just rambling on and on. It’s not surprising they get flagged as spam, since that’s essentially what they are.

He must be very upset that Dan isn’t available to approve his flagged comments.

Let me guess. John.....Pack....Lambert?

[Moksha]

I imagine almost all SeN posters would choose Six Days in August over Conclave as the better movie. The Interpreter eNewsleter should have Dr. Gregory Smith write an article to that effect and perhaps blast the College of Cardinals while he was at it for not having anyone take on the countenance of Joseph Smith or Cardinal Thomas Wolsey.

John Pack Lambert
6 days ago
I just made a psoriasis on Facebook about Six Days in August. Hopefully, some will see it.

Sounds raised and itchy.

[Gadianton]

I've done some reading about the tavern and Sharp's home. One article I read stated: "The original Warsaw House Hotel, where the mob met after they murdered the Prophet Joseph and the Patriarch Hyrum, was torn down in 1899." A 2015 Deseret News piece is a bit ambiguous on the point. The author writes: “The far-left portion of the home was once the Warsaw Fleming Tavern, a site where there was planning for and celebrating of the death of the Prophet and Patriarch. Tradition holds that some of the mob met there after the martyrdom." I cannot tell if the writer is claiming that the original tavern is the left-hand portion of a standing house or if the tavern was merely located on the same site in 1844. (The house seems to have been built in 1900.)

In any case, I haven't read that Sharp lived next to the tavern (see the first link above). (The Proprietor can correct me if I am mistaken on that front.) Apparently, Sharp did live for a time in a stone house overlooking the Mississippi River. (Note that the listing states that the house was built in 1827.) Some additional information about these sites is available here.

You've got a sharp eye, Tom, no pun intended. Is this the house we're talking about?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/154- ... 5710_zpid/?

Map #1. (See map on back) 154 Main. In 1835 Warsaw’s first hotel, the Warsaw House, was built here. The local newspapers said the main structure, which was probably all wood, was torn down in 1899 and in 1900 the Piedrit family built the current home. (B). Local legend says the back brick portion was part of the original hotel, but it was most likely built on as the windows appear to be from a later date. The original Warsaw House, also known as the Fleming Tavern, was where the mob met after they killed Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum at the Carthage Jail.

https://warsawillinois.org/wp-content/u ... de-v5g.pdf

According to this, the main house that was rebuilt was called the Warsaw house, was a hotel and tavern, and the brick add-on portion wasn't itself the tavern. The other account you mention (or accounts) seem to think the brick portion was the tavern. Either way, there is no indication, as you say, that:

Curiously, though, as I learned on Saturday night, Tom Sharp’s former home and the directly adjoining tavern

The "home" was the hotel. On that guide, I don't see any mention of Sharp's residence location. Haven't seen that anywhere. I guess that's 0/3?

- No hill Cumorah in South America
- The NHM site by the Red Sea wasn't Nahom
- The Warsaw house wasn't Thomas Sharp's residence.

Here's another interesting quote:

Virtually nobody has visited Warsaw in recent decades unless (as I’ve done on a couple of occasions) it has been to visit the wreckage of the place where they hatched their plot.

This seems to revel in the old priesthood mythology of dusting the feet and condemning a town for its wickedness, and then as the story goes, the town for decades and longer is ruined economically and in every way. It's clearly being imagined that the Lord has punished the town for its sin for "generation after generation". And the Afore even visited the place to revel in its destruction! The kicker is notice the bold, that this curse has really taken hold in "recent decades" when the people are totally unconnected to Mormon history!

In the 1840’s, tensions were high between the people of Warsaw and Nauvoo. Warsaw was a center of anti-Mormon feelings. Today, however, there is generally a feeling of peace and goodwill between the communities and peoples. Warsaw has a very rich history spanning more than 200 years. For many, the brief “Mormon Troubles” period seems to be just an unfortunate blip on history’s radar. Most remember Warsaw as a bustling river city that peaked in the 1870’s with much trade and industry. Warsaw was a hub for education, the arts, and social life. What started as a temporary military fort in 1812, then a permanent fort in1814, Warsaw became a city that even once aspired to be the Capital of the United States! Today, Warsaw is mostly a bedroom community to the industries across the river at Keokuk. Farming, hunting, fishing, boating, and tourism are also important.

The current folks living there, who are still being smitten by the Lord per the apologists, are a peace loving community and proud of many good things that happened in the town. Even though it might not being doing great today economically, but seems like a friendly place.

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John Pack Lambert Indeed

[Tom]

I've done some reading about the tavern and Sharp's home. One article I read stated: "The original Warsaw House Hotel, where the mob met after they murdered the Prophet Joseph and the Patriarch Hyrum, was torn down in 1899." A 2015 Deseret News piece is a bit ambiguous on the point. The author writes: “The far-left portion of the home was once the Warsaw Fleming Tavern, a site where there was planning for and celebrating of the death of the Prophet and Patriarch. Tradition holds that some of the mob met there after the martyrdom." I cannot tell if the writer is claiming that the original tavern is the left-hand portion of a standing house or if the tavern was merely located on the same site in 1844. (The house seems to have been built in 1900.)

In any case, I haven't read that Sharp lived next to the tavern (see the first link above). (The Proprietor can correct me if I am mistaken on that front.) Apparently, Sharp did live for a time in a stone house overlooking the Mississippi River. (Note that the listing states that the house was built in 1827.) Some additional information about these sites is available here.

You've got a sharp eye, Tom, no pun intended. Is this the house we're talking about?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/154- ... 5710_zpid/?

Yes, that’s the Piedrit house. I gather that a Latter-day Saint woman now owns it.

Map #1. (See map on back) 154 Main. In 1835 Warsaw’s first hotel, the Warsaw House, was built here. The local newspapers said the main structure, which was probably all wood, was torn down in 1899 and in 1900 the Piedrit family built the current home. (B). Local legend says the back brick portion was part of the original hotel, but it was most likely built on as the windows appear to be from a later date. The original Warsaw House, also known as the Fleming Tavern, was where the mob met after they killed Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum at the Carthage Jail.

https://warsawillinois.org/wp-content/u ... de-v5g.pdf

According to this, the main house that was rebuilt was called the Warsaw house, was a hotel and tavern, and the brick add-on portion wasn't itself the tavern. The other account you mention (or accounts) seem to think the brick portion was the tavern. Either way, there is no indication, as you say, that:

Curiously, though, as I learned on Saturday night, Tom Sharp’s former home and the directly adjoining tavern

The "home" was the hotel. On that guide, I don't see any mention of Sharp's residence location. Haven't seen that anywhere. I guess that's 0/3?

- No hill Cumorah in South America
- The NHM site by the Red Sea wasn't Nahom
- The Warsaw house wasn't Thomas Sharp's residence.

I believe #4 on the guide map is the location of Sharp’s house.

Here's another interesting quote:

Virtually nobody has visited Warsaw in recent decades unless (as I’ve done on a couple of occasions) it has been to visit the wreckage of the place where they hatched their plot.

This seems to revel in the old priesthood mythology of dusting the feet and condemning a town for its wickedness, and then as the story goes, the town for decades and longer is ruined economically and in every way. It's clearly being imagined that the Lord has punished the town for its sin for "generation after generation". And the Afore even visited the place to revel in its destruction! The kicker is notice the bold, that this curse has really taken hold in "recent decades" when the people are totally unconnected to Mormon history!

Excellent points. I’m left wondering how the Proprietor knows “virtually nobody” has visited Warsaw in recent decades unless they’re there to visit “the wreckage of the place where they hatched their plot.” Is he projecting?

[Morley]

If Warsaw's economic decline is a sign of God's disfavor, what would it mean if a film about Brigham Young's Jedi mind trick was not financially successful?

[Kishkumen]

If Warsaw's economic decline is a sign of God's disfavor, what would it mean if a film about Brigham Young's Jedi mind trick was not financially successful?

Jedi mind trick! LOL! Nicely played.

Brigham Young to saints about Rigdon: “He’s not the prophet you are looking for.” (Waves hand in funny gesture.)

[I Have Questions]

After 15 days of screenings, 6DIA has taken $301,000, $133,000 less than Witnesses achieved at that point. If you prefer- it’s at 68% of Witnesses at the 15 day point. The number of theatres showing 6DIA has now dropped to 35.

For reference:

…tax filings in 2010 for Cinemark Theatres show that only 54.5 percent of ticket revenues went to the distributor, with the exhibitor retaining the rest. While the distributor's cut will vary from film to film, a Hollywood studio will typically collect half the gross in the United States

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... fice_bombs

To break even 6DIA would probably need to gross over $4,000,000. Witnesses would probably need to gross over $3,000,000 to break even. It grossed $855,000 at the box office, so that probably translates to about $400,000 of income for Interpreter, the production company, and the distributors, depending on how they’ve agreed to split the proceeds. I don’t think that’s includes DVD sales, nor usage rights paid for by BYU (from memory I think there was some agreement that BYU/tithe payers would pay for some Witnesses related content).

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I expect the number of theaters will drop to 47 or so on Friday. There is no sign it will open in Parowan. It will be opening in Panguitch.

You were too optimistic, brother Tom. It’s down to 35 theaters:

Friday 18 $12,274 +76% -55.7% 35

Again for comparison, Witnesses was still on 78 screens on its day 18. And that again was during COVID.

This is an absolute disaster for DCP. Not since the Maxwell Institute ouster has he been this publicly rebuked.