Happy Birthday President Nelson!

[Gadianton]

Some amazing revelations in those paragraphs. What stood out most to me was MGs insistence that he doesn't see himself as better than others because to be the greatest of all is to be the servant of all. wtf, where did that come from? Would anybody think, having read his posts, that he believes such a thing? Not possible.

A clue may lie in his interpretation of what it means to be "the servant of all." To be the servant of all doesn't mean mean to go around helping everyone with what they need, apparently, rather it means to to be an "active member" of the Church, to bow before God, and to sustain the brethren. In other words, when MG contemplates being the servant of all, it means to be an unflinching supporter of an authoritarian regime. Understanding that this is what MG means by being a servant to all, it all falls into place. Oh yeah, his posting history most definitely backs up his beliefs about being a servant to all, once one understands what that actually means in his mind.

There is a real connection here to extremist movements. I know I said I didn't see extremism per se in MG's writing, but this most definitely flirts with extremist views, and I wasn't aware that he believed such a thing. It's common for authoritarians to view service and obedience to the leadership by definition as service to humanity. If the leader orders a stoning, then one is doing the stoning victim a favor by stoning them because it fulfills the command of the leader.

[Rivendale]

Some amazing revelations in those paragraphs. What stood out most to me was MGs insistence that he doesn't see himself as better than others because to be the greatest of all is to be the servant of all. wtf, where did that come from? Would anybody think, having read his posts, that he believes such a thing? Not possible.

A clue may lie in his interpretation of what it means to be "the servant of all." To be the servant of all doesn't mean mean to go around helping everyone with what they need, apparently, rather it means to to be an "active member" of the Church, to bow before God, and to sustain the brethren. In other words, when MG contemplates being the servant of all, it means to be an unflinching supporter of an authoritarian regime. Understanding that this is what MG means by being a servant to all, it all falls into place. Oh yeah, his posting history most definitely backs up his beliefs about being a servant to all, once one understands what that actually means in his mind.

There is a real connection here to extremist movements. I know I said I didn't see extremism per se in MG's writing, but this most definitely flirts with extremist views, and I wasn't aware that he believed such a thing. It's common for authoritarians to view service and obedience to the leadership by definition as service to humanity. If the leader orders a stoning, then one is doing the stoning victim a favor by stoning them because it fulfills the command of the leader.

Mg would be first in line at MMM.

[I Have Questions]

Some amazing revelations in those paragraphs. What stood out most to me was MGs insistence that he doesn't see himself as better than others because to be the greatest of all is to be the servant of all. wtf, where did that come from? Would anybody think, having read his posts, that he believes such a thing? Not possible.

A clue may lie in his interpretation of what it means to be "the servant of all." To be the servant of all doesn't mean mean to go around helping everyone with what they need, apparently, rather it means to to be an "active member" of the Church, to bow before God, and to sustain the brethren. In other words, when MG contemplates being the servant of all, it means to be an unflinching supporter of an authoritarian regime. Understanding that this is what MG means by being a servant to all, it all falls into place. Oh yeah, his posting history most definitely backs up his beliefs about being a servant to all, once one understands what that actually means in his mind.

There is a real connection here to extremist movements. I know I said I didn't see extremism per se in MG's writing, but this most definitely flirts with extremist views, and I wasn't aware that he believed such a thing. It's common for authoritarians to view service and obedience to the leadership by definition as service to humanity. If the leader orders a stoning, then one is doing the stoning victim a favor by stoning them because it fulfills the command of the leader.

Mg would be first in line at MMM.

No. He wouldn't. He'd be first in line to deny it happened, to deny Mormons were involved, to deny Young incited it etc. but he is too lazy to go into action himself. Remember, he's a Senior Mission draft dodger. He'd have feigned some reason for why, even though he really wanted to, he couldn't join the MMM group. He’s only a keyboard warrior. In real life he’s a coward.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

What are examples of "extremes" for you?"

Give me a list of those things that you think would matter if I was to be one extreme or the other. Things that matter to you personally. I’ll let you know where I stand if I am able.

Regards,
MG

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Lol @ give me a list. So, now MG can’t one person who thinks he’s honest and can’t name an extreme or two that he’s supposedly navigating. What a ‘drot’.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

Some amazing revelations in those paragraphs. What stood out most to me was MGs insistence that he doesn't see himself as better than others because to be the greatest of all is to be the servant of all. wtf, where did that come from? Would anybody think, having read his posts, that he believes such a thing? Not possible.

A clue may lie in his interpretation of what it means to be "the servant of all." To be the servant of all doesn't mean mean to go around helping everyone with what they need, apparently, rather it means to to be an "active member" of the Church, to bow before God, and to sustain the brethren. In other words, when MG contemplates being the servant of all, it means to be an unflinching supporter of an authoritarian regime. Understanding that this is what MG means by being a servant to all, it all falls into place. Oh yeah, his posting history most definitely backs up his beliefs about being a servant to all, once one understands what that actually means in his mind.

There is a real connection here to extremist movements. I know I said I didn't see extremism per se in MG's writing, but this most definitely flirts with extremist views, and I wasn't aware that he believed such a thing. It's common for authoritarians to view service and obedience to the leadership by definition as service to humanity. If the leader orders a stoning, then one is doing the stoning victim a favor by stoning them because it fulfills the command of the leader.

You intentionally misstated what I meant as being a “servant of all”. That threw everything else you said off kilter.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

I misunderstood? Okay, let's do a walkthrough.

Are you kidding me? Jesus taught that he that is the greatest among you let him be a/your servant. Greatest doesn't mean a bloated sense of self as you portray. It means that to where much is given much is expected. Being an active member of the church means that one recognizes their subservience to God and looking to Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth, and the Light. If one is not humble enough to recognize that they are as dust in comparison to the greatness of God...they MAY fall into a trap of self-importance and self-aggrandizement.

I sustain the Prophet and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles because they have been given the keys to the Kingdom....

Your definition of being a servant to all is literally all about your relationship with God and the brethren, and nothing about serving anybody.

Where is the part where you mention actually "serving" people, more to the point would be serving critics since the contention is about aggrandizing yourself above those you are having conversations with.

I don't think you're a bad or terrible person, you've clearly become a better person than several other members of this forum who are believers, but I do think there is some brainwashing going on and fanaticism. It's just that it's in those blind spots, and not what you've convinced yourself is the criteria for extremism.

[MG 2.0]

I misunderstood? Okay, let's do a walkthrough.

Are you kidding me? Jesus taught that he that is the greatest among you let him be a/your servant. Greatest doesn't mean a bloated sense of self as you portray. It means that to where much is given much is expected. Being an active member of the church means that one recognizes their subservience to God and looking to Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth, and the Light. If one is not humble enough to recognize that they are as dust in comparison to the greatness of God...they MAY fall into a trap of self-importance and self-aggrandizement.

I sustain the Prophet and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles because they have been given the keys to the Kingdom....

Your definition of being a servant to all is literally all about your relationship with God and the brethren, and nothing about serving anybody.

Where is the part where you mention actually "serving" people, more to the point would be serving critics since the contention is about aggrandizing yourself above those you are having conversations with.

I don't think you're a bad or terrible person, you've clearly become a better person than several other members of this forum who are believers, but I do think there is some brainwashing going on and fanaticism. It's just that it's in those blind spots, and not what you've convinced yourself is the criteria for extremism.

OK. Further explanation of my meaning. Service is to God and His Son. When we serve our fellow man we are essentially serving God and His purposes for His children. When we mourn with those that mourn and lift up the hands that hang down we are stepping in as hands to help not only our neighbor but also help move the God's work along. That is, to bring about the eternal exaltation/salvation of individual souls.

You seem to be hyper focused on "the Brethren". We don't serve the Brethren. We don't serve the Church. We have the opportunity to serve IN the church. Also, importantly we reach out and serve our 'neighbor'. That is all encompassing.

The whole fanaticism and extremism thing is a load of crock. At least in my case. You have misjudged me.as.I think you have also misjudged the church leadership. They are serving the Lord as they serve His children.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

OK. Further explanation of my meaning. Service is to God and His Son. When we serve our fellow man we are essentially serving God and His purposes for His children. When we mourn with those that mourn and lift up the hands that hang down we are stepping in as hands to help not only our neighbor but also help move the God's work along. That is, to bring about the eternal exaltation/salvation of individual souls.

That's fantastic, MG. If that's really what you believe, then I accept your clarification. However, nothing you wrote in your previous post indicated this in the slightest. Why don't you ask your AI if your new meaning can be discerned from what you'd said previously that I quoted?

You seem to be hyper focused on "the Brethren". We don't serve the Brethren. We don't serve the Church. We have the opportunity to serve IN the church. Also, importantly we reach out and serve our 'neighbor'. That is all encompassing.

Actually, MG, you seem hyper focused on "the Brethren", as while I put "..." to save space, you went on for this huge paragraph talking about how important it is to follow the brethren and respect them, as a part of your exposition on serving our "fellow man". I was simply letting you know what you yourself had typed.

In my mind, and this is my subjective opinion I admit, I attribute your original circular discursion -- all roads lead back to obedience to God and the brethren -- to a kind of brainwashing, TBMs often talk in circles like this. Their thoughts on various subjects are tied up with a bow in terms of authoritarian obedience to the leaders. I appreciate that upon stepping back a moment, that you're able to come up with a more reasonable definition of what it means to serve people.

[MG 2.0]

OK. Further explanation of my meaning. Service is to God and His Son. When we serve our fellow man we are essentially serving God and His purposes for His children. When we mourn with those that mourn and lift up the hands that hang down we are stepping in as hands to help not only our neighbor but also help move the God's work along. That is, to bring about the eternal exaltation/salvation of individual souls.

That's fantastic, MG. If that's really what you believe, then I accept your clarification. However, nothing you wrote in your previous post indicated this in the slightest. Why don't you ask your AI if your new meaning can be discerned from what you'd said previously that I quoted?

You seem to be hyper focused on "the Brethren". We don't serve the Brethren. We don't serve the Church. We have the opportunity to serve IN the church. Also, importantly we reach out and serve our 'neighbor'. That is all encompassing.

Actually, MG, you seem hyper focused on "the Brethren", as while I put "..." to save space, you went on for this huge paragraph talking about how important it is to follow the brethren and respect them, as a part of your exposition on serving our "fellow man". I was simply letting you know what you yourself had typed.

In my mind, and this is my subjective opinion I admit, I attribute your original circular discursion -- all roads lead back to obedience to God and the brethren -- to a kind of brainwashing, TBMs often talk in circles like this. Their thoughts on various subjects are tied up with a bow in terms of authoritarian obedience to the leaders. I appreciate that upon stepping back a moment, that you're able to come up with a more reasonable definition of what it means to serve people.

Well, at least I've been able to get you to pull back from describing me as a fanatic and extremist. That's progress, I guess. If one of these days you suddenly convert to a creator God belief/faith, then I will fall out of my seat.

Just out of interest have you heard of or read the book by Ross Douthat called, "Believe"?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/216 ... AXW&rank=4

I just downloaded it on to my watch and started listening to it while out on a walk today. Not much into it yet but he seems to be taking the course of showing that it's sort of crazy/unreasonable to NOT believe in the supernatural. I'm looking forward to getting into it.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

OK. Further explanation of my meaning. Service is to God and His Son. When we serve our fellow man we are essentially serving God and His purposes for His children. When we mourn with those that mourn and lift up the hands that hang down we are stepping in as hands to help not only our neighbor but also help move the God's work along. That is, to bring about the eternal exaltation/salvation of individual souls.

That's fantastic, MG. If that's really what you believe, then I accept your clarification. However, nothing you wrote in your previous post indicated this in the slightest. Why don't you ask your AI if your new meaning can be discerned from what you'd said previously that I quoted?

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