What would it take for you to leave Mormonism?

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asbestosman wrote:
Who Knows wrote:
asbestosman wrote:Depends on your definition of the word, 'is'. ;)


Sorry, I'm not following you.

I consider the method to be a valid way of discerning truth. I don't know that I'd call it 'science' so much as another method of discerning truth which has important commanalities with science.


What other life-impacting decisions outside of your faith do you use the same technique? Do you determine what house to buy, what school to attend, etc based on prayer or do you objectively examine the claims of the parties involved?

If you say you go with your gut on everything then I've got some land I can suggest you invest in. Its prime beachfront real estate in Arizona.
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asbestosman wrote:I consider the method to be a valid way of discerning truth. I don't know that I'd call it 'science' so much as another method of discerning truth which has important commanalities with science.


So pseudoscience masquerading as science. gotcha. ;)
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VegasRefugee wrote:What other life-impacting decisions outside of your faith do you use the same technique? Do you determine what house to buy, what school to attend, etc based on prayer or do you objectively examine the claims of the parties involved?

I use something like it in determining what foods, books, music, and so on I like. I use something like it in determining what sort of people I can trust and to what degree (so no, I tend not to follow investment advice from people who could easily profit off scamming me, but I would tend to follow the investment advice of an established brokerage).
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asbestosman wrote:
VegasRefugee wrote:What other life-impacting decisions outside of your faith do you use the same technique? Do you determine what house to buy, what school to attend, etc based on prayer or do you objectively examine the claims of the parties involved?

I use something like it in determining what foods, books, music, and so on I like. I use something like it in determining what sort of people I can trust and to what degree (so no, I tend not to follow investment advice from people who could easily profit off scamming me, but I would tend to follow the investment advice of an established brokerage).


Sorry to butt in here, and I will definitely butt right back out. However, as a former broker with a respectable brokerage house, I would advise you to be more careful. The broker doesn't really care about you. He cares about commissions. And if it comes to her choosing one or the other, be assured, it will be the commissions.

Sorry, back to the regular, scheduled programming.
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asbestosman wrote:I use something like it in determining what foods, books, music, and so on I like. I use something like it in determining what sort of people I can trust and to what degree...


Has it ever been wrong (has peggy ever taken the wrong path back)?
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gramps wrote:Sorry to butt in here, and I will definitely butt right back out. However, as a former broker with a respectable brokerage house, I would advise you to be more careful. The broker doesn't really care about you. He cares about commissions. And if it comes to her choosing one or the other, be assured, it will be the commissions.

That is a good point. I do try to get advice from others who have invested money--generally for longer periods of time. I generally avoid promises of great riches or hype about how great the market is doing. I'm also more of a fan of diversification.
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asbestosman wrote:...but I would tend to follow the investment advice of an established brokerage).


I consider any transaction in which I exchange money for goods and services an investment. Tithing cna also be considered as such. I'm not suggesting you ask your financial advisor to write up a risk assesment for tithing, but the irony was just seeping out when you were discussing the identification of potentially fraudulent transactions.

Do you count tithing as an investment? have you ever considered that this investment, which you have based on faith, is itself a fraudulent transaction?
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Who Knows wrote:
asbestosman wrote:I use something like it in determining what foods, books, music, and so on I like. I use something like it in determining what sort of people I can trust and to what degree...


Has it ever been wrong (has peggy ever taken the wrong path back)?

Yes. I have met people I no longer trust (or at least not on many issues) and I have tasted foods I was told I'd like which I do not.
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VegasRefugee wrote:
asbestosman wrote:...but I would tend to follow the investment advice of an established brokerage).


I consider any transaction in which I exchange money for goods and services an investment. Tithing cna also be considered as such. I'm not suggesting you ask your financial advisor to write up a risk assesment for tithing, but the irony was just seeping out when you were discussing the identification of potentially fraudulent transactions.

Do you count tithing as an investment? have you ever considered that this investment, which you have based on faith, is itself a fraudulent transaction?

I consider the risk of not paying tithing to be greater. Perhaps some day that will change, but I do not think it likely.
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asbestosman wrote:I consider the risk of not paying tithing to be greater. Perhaps some day that will change, but I do not think it likely.


So your motivation is fear. Interesting.
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