I'm walking nothing back. When God/Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and initiated the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that triggered the Priesthood restoration and Joseph's calling to be the President of the High Priesthood. Church members on the day the church was organized approved by common consent the revelation received at that time;
Allow me to tell you a true story. I knew a man who once called himself a prophet. He was an overeager returned missionary who apparently had heard voices and seen visions, all of which he believed to be from God and that God had called him to be a prophet. He would make prophecies and even attempted a poor excuse for one for me (he said, drumroll please, that I would speak a different language in my mission, as if that weren’t a literal 50-50 chance). At one point he had four followers, three of which explicitly considered him a prophet by common consent the other was new to the Church and was just along for the ride thinking this was normal. 3-4 is not too far off from the 6 that Joseph Smith needed to found the religion. If he were ever criticized about his view he would cite Numbers 11:29 “ And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!”
Tell me; did that man not fit all the criteria of being a prophet? He was considered to be so by God (according to him), and also by 3-4 others in common consent, and even had scriptural authority to back up his claim. If he does fit the bill? Ok so he didn’t expressly claim to the the president of the high priesthood, but what if he did and all the conditions were the same? Common consent, called by God as such, scriptural authority. Why should we not consider him equally valid in the bid for that position as say Mr Smith?
“The ego is not master in its own house.” - Sigmund Freud
I'm walking nothing back. When God/Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and initiated the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that triggered the Priesthood restoration and Joseph's calling to be the President of the High Priesthood. Church members on the day the church was organized approved by common consent the revelation received at that time;
Where’s the link to this quote?
And that’s an example of Joseph appointing himself and the members agreeing. Unless you’re saying the members appointed Joseph as Prophet which of course they had no authority to do.
The link was given earlier, but here it is again. Apparently you didn't look at or read the original link when posted.
I'm walking nothing back. When God/Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and initiated the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that triggered the Priesthood restoration and Joseph's calling to be the President of the High Priesthood. Church members on the day the church was organized approved by common consent the revelation received at that time;
Allow me to tell you a true story. I knew a man who once called himself a prophet. He was an overeager returned missionary who apparently had heard voices and seen visions, all of which he believed to be from God and that God had called him to be a prophet. He would make prophecies and even attempted a poor excuse for one for me (he said, drumroll please, that I would speak a different language in my mission, as if that weren’t a literal 50-50 chance). At one point he had four followers, three of which explicitly considered him a prophet by common consent the other was new to the Church and was just along for the ride thinking this was normal. 3-4 is not too far off from the 6 that Joseph Smith needed to found the religion. If he were ever criticized about his view he would cite Numbers 11:29 “ And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!”
Tell me; did that man not fit all the criteria of being a prophet? He was considered to be so by God (according to him), and also by 3-4 others in common consent, and even had scriptural authority to back up his claim. If he does fit the bill? Ok so he didn’t expressly claim to the the president of the high priesthood, but what if he did and all the conditions were the same? Common consent, called by God as such, scriptural authority. Why should we not consider him equally valid in the bid for that position as say Mr Smith?
And that’s an example of Joseph appointing himself and the members agreeing. Unless you’re saying the members appointed Joseph as Prophet which of course they had no authority to do.
The link was given earlier, but here it is again. Apparently you didn't look at or read the original link when posted.
You, of course, are entitled to your own opinion. Others, of course, may see things with different eyes. Eyes of faith. Eyes that see God in the world/universe.
You, of course, are entitled to your own opinion. Others, of course, may see things with different eyes. Eyes of faith. Eyes that see God in the world/universe.
Regards,
MG
MG, you really are a complete fruitcake. But you're our fruitcake.
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Allow me to tell you a true story. I knew a man who once called himself a prophet. He was an overeager returned missionary who apparently had heard voices and seen visions, all of which he believed to be from God and that God had called him to be a prophet. He would make prophecies and even attempted a poor excuse for one for me (he said, drumroll please, that I would speak a different language in my mission, as if that weren’t a literal 50-50 chance). At one point he had four followers, three of which explicitly considered him a prophet by common consent the other was new to the Church and was just along for the ride thinking this was normal. 3-4 is not too far off from the 6 that Joseph Smith needed to found the religion. If he were ever criticized about his view he would cite Numbers 11:29 “ And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!”
Tell me; did that man not fit all the criteria of being a prophet? He was considered to be so by God (according to him), and also by 3-4 others in common consent, and even had scriptural authority to back up his claim. If he does fit the bill? Ok so he didn’t expressly claim to the the president of the high priesthood, but what if he did and all the conditions were the same? Common consent, called by God as such, scriptural authority. Why should we not consider him equally valid in the bid for that position as say Mr Smith?
What came of it?
Regards,
MG
I can rack my brain for the end of the story if you rack yours to answer my questions, they weren’t rhetorical, sorry if they came off that way.
“The ego is not master in its own house.” - Sigmund Freud
I can rack my brain for the end of the story if you rack yours to answer my questions, they weren’t rhetorical, sorry if they came off that way.
I mean, what came of it in the 'big picture' of things? Like, did it result in a religion that has spread across the world, albeit in pockets of acceptance/belief?
I'm wondering if there is somewhere I can go where I can see the fruits of this prophet you're referring to?
I'm walking nothing back. When God/Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith and initiated the restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that triggered the Priesthood restoration and Joseph's calling to be the President of the High Priesthood. Church members on the day the church was organized approved by common consent the revelation received at that time;
Allow me to tell you a true story. I knew a man who once called himself a prophet. He was an overeager returned missionary who apparently had heard voices and seen visions, all of which he believed to be from God and that God had called him to be a prophet. He would make prophecies and even attempted a poor excuse for one for me (he said, drumroll please, that I would speak a different language in my mission, as if that weren’t a literal 50-50 chance). At one point he had four followers, three of which explicitly considered him a prophet by common consent the other was new to the Church and was just along for the ride thinking this was normal. 3-4 is not too far off from the 6 that Joseph Smith needed to found the religion. If he were ever criticized about his view he would cite Numbers 11:29 “ And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!”
Tell me; did that man not fit all the criteria of being a prophet? He was considered to be so by God (according to him), and also by 3-4 others in common consent, and even had scriptural authority to back up his claim. If he does fit the bill? Ok so he didn’t expressly claim to the the president of the high priesthood, but what if he did and all the conditions were the same? Common consent, called by God as such, scriptural authority. Why should we not consider him equally valid in the bid for that position as say Mr Smith?
Ego, did this happen in the greater Toronto area? I ask because a couple of days ago I remembered a brother I used to know, somewhere around Brampton/Mississauga, I think, who might fit your story.
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I can rack my brain for the end of the story if you rack yours to answer my questions, they weren’t rhetorical, sorry if they came off that way.
I mean, what came of it in the 'big picture' of things? Like, did it result in a religion that has spread across the world, albeit in pockets of acceptance/belief?
I'm wondering if there is somewhere I can go where I can see the fruits of this prophet you're referring to?
Regards,
MG
Oh, like that. Nothing came of it. He never dropped the belief but he told me that it ‘was not his time yet’ to be revealed to the world. I suppose if you want to judge him on his fruits, I did in fact speak a different language in my mission for what it’s worth
But in all seriousness, no, it was very harmful what he was doing, for everyone involved.
“The ego is not master in its own house.” - Sigmund Freud
