You get from God what you give him.
You get answers to prayer by praying, and it builds and grows from there.
Its called the refiners fire, and sometimes its hard, purposely so.
Gaz
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Because the end situation, the highest exaltation, requires self control and personal responsibility.
Think about this for a minute. You will be as God, a creator of worlds and the sole provider for endless generations.
How would you test others who have the possibility of becomeing as such?
Do you have a better plan of salvation?
Gaz
Think about this for a minute. You will be as God, a creator of worlds and the sole provider for endless generations.
How would you test others who have the possibility of becomeing as such?
Do you have a better plan of salvation?
Gaz
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:Because the end situation, the highest exaltation, requires self control and personal responsibility.
Think about this for a minute. You will be as God, a creator of worlds and the sole provider for endless generations.
Gaz
Think another minute Gaz. "You will be a God"? How can you be a God if there is only one God?
Do you have a better plan of salvation?
What you're talking about isn't salvation. It's deification.
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Gazelam wrote:Because the end situation, the highest exaltation, requires self control and personal responsibility.
Think about this for a minute. You will be as God, a creator of worlds and the sole provider for endless generations.
How would you test others who have the possibility of becomeing as such?
Do you have a better plan of salvation?
Gaz
You do realize that none of this makes any sense. Why would God require "salvation" of anyone, and why would he need or want people to be tested so that they can create worlds?
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Runtu wrote:Gazelam wrote:Because the end situation, the highest exaltation, requires self control and personal responsibility.
Think about this for a minute. You will be as God, a creator of worlds and the sole provider for endless generations.
How would you test others who have the possibility of becomeing as such?
Do you have a better plan of salvation?
Gaz
You do realize that none of this makes any sense. Why would God require "salvation" of anyone, and why would he need or want people to be tested so that they can create worlds?
Agreed. I think it more reasonable that He wants his children to create macaroni and cheeze (my favorite meal) to be exalted. I add a cup of Cream of Mushroom soup. (Hey...it's not a perfect Plan of Salvation but it does stave off hunger better than God's.)
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
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Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
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Gazelam wrote:You get from God what you give him.
Huh? Being that I have never seen god I don't understand how I can give him anything. So far he has not even shown to me his existence. Its hard to interact with someone who hasnt the means to interact with you.
Gazelam wrote:
You get answers to prayer by praying, and it builds and grows from there.
that's like saying you get answers from a blood test by taking a blood test. Besides, talking to yourself or your imaginary friend from kolob usually will leave you in a psych ward getting tranq'd.
Circular reasonong abounds.
Gazelam wrote:
Its called the refiners fire, and sometimes its hard, purposely so.
Gaz
Refiners fire? Huh? that's a way of saying "im special, your not therefore I can make stupid ass illogical statements and feel better about myself because of them", which is your MO.
Go weld something and let me know when your done.
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Runtu wrote:Gazelam wrote:You get from God what you give him.
You get answers to prayer by praying, and it builds and grows from there.
Its called the refiners fire, and sometimes its hard, purposely so.
Gaz
What's the purpose, Gaz?
Money, power for geriatric control freaks. that's the purpose.
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Runtu
Answer me this, what is the difference between Immortality and Eternal Life?
Why would your parents like for you to grow up and have children of your own?
God doesent "require" salvation of you, he asks it of you.
Bond
There is only one God that we worship, the Father, we do so in the name of Christ by the power of the Holy Ghost. They posess the same knowledge, desires and each would act the same in any given situation. Hence they are One God in that sence, but are three seperate personages. John chp. 17 expresses the purpose and desires and relationship between them and us best, the entire prayer expresses it, particulary these verses:
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Salvation is deification, they are the same.
Gaz
Why would your parents like for you to grow up and have children of your own?
God doesent "require" salvation of you, he asks it of you.
Bond
There is only one God that we worship, the Father, we do so in the name of Christ by the power of the Holy Ghost. They posess the same knowledge, desires and each would act the same in any given situation. Hence they are One God in that sence, but are three seperate personages. John chp. 17 expresses the purpose and desires and relationship between them and us best, the entire prayer expresses it, particulary these verses:
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Salvation is deification, they are the same.
Gaz
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Re: Runtu
Gazelam wrote:Answer me this, what is the difference between Immortality and Eternal Life?
Why would your parents like for you to grow up and have children of your own?
God doesent "require" salvation of you, he asks it of you.
In reality, there is no difference. I'm well aware of the semantic difference that Mormons apply to those two words.
Do I need to suffer and be tested to be like my parents and have children of my own? Nope.
I think I'll let Bond handle your questions to him.