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Every time I see a thread like this I think "oh no, NOT another thread on blacks and the Priesthood". You know, there will still be people trying to free Mumia ten thousand years from now. Permanent revolution. It will never end. The grievance and pathological, flagellating collective guilt will still be with us.
Well, I've gone beyond it and, in fact, I was never part of it because my parents never taught me racist attitudes and I was never part of any racial oppression of anyone nor did I ever support such oppression, so I bear no guilt or responsability for it. I guess I have trouble understanding why this rottong corpse won't stay in its grave.
Calling racism, and people's feelings about it a "rottong [sic] corpse" seems a bit "over the line," imho.
I'm still waiting for a shred of evidence that I harbor racist sentiments about anyone and that I ever made a racist statement. If you would lile to try to extract something "racist" from the above comments I'm sure it would be enlightening.
It's already been done. You are claiming that African American struggles for equality in this country amount to a "rottong [sic] corpse." The reason you did this is because you are terrified of the left, as befits a completely benighted, corn-pone, Robert Bork-worshipping racist, Right-Wing wacko hick like yourself.
This next section both justifies and amplifies everything I've suspected about Scratch from the very beginning of our discussions in this forum, especially regarding his leftist ideological leanings:
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GIMR: Given that you are black, how is comparing you with Angela Davis, who is also black, racist (but I know that you, being psychologically and ideologically who you are, will find a way to make it so)?
It's racist because you are conflating them. You are saying, in effect, "Hey, you're both Black, so you both must be the same!" Allow me to demonstrate why this is bad: "Gee, Loran, you're LDS, so you must be just like Mark Hacking!" Or, "Gee, Loran, you are wacko and right-wing and LDS, so you must be just on the verge of flying off the handle, Lafferty Bro.-style, right?"
Boy, Loran---I really have to hand it to you. Never have I learned so much about how to consistently apply ad hominems and straw men arguments!
You see, ladies and gentlement [sic](and those of you who have studied and observed the modern Left/Liberal political culture and its ideological predispositions will understand what has happened here upon even the most cursory inspection), by conflating (facetiously, in part) Angela Davis (a radical leftist) with GIMR (who also appears to be very much a leftist who happens to be black, hypersensitive to racial issues, and imbued, from much of what she has said, with elements of the Black Power and cultural nationalist ideology of the civil rights Left of that era (as well as the present one)), I did nothing but make a point about the
ideological affinities both seem to share, to some degree.
Do you really think that conflating the two phrases "hypersensitive to racial issues" and "rottung corpse" is really very sensitive or wise? Or is instead just par for the course from yet another unshaven, Neanderthal, pointy-white-hat wearing Right Wing nutjob? Tell me, Loran: when is the last time you polished and greased your well-stocked arsenal of 2nd Amendment sanctioned firearms?
What Scratch seems to be implying in this desperate grasp at straws far, far out of his reach, is that what I'm saying is that because Angela Davis is black, and a communist, and GIMR is black, it therefore follows in my feverish, racist mind, that GIMR must also be a communist.
Well done! Yes, that's exactly what seemed to be taking place. At least, that is obviously what would happen in the mind of someone who is so obviously a Bible-thumping, jackbooted, Neo-nazi, "Dueling Banjo"-loving trainwreck castaway from
My Name is Earl. You are like a bad Jeff Foxworthy joke, Loran.
I'd be pleased to take a look at any coherant inductive or deductive argument that can compellingly show that, given what I actually wrote, this is a plausible interpretation (of course what I did mean was that both share a similar Black cutural nationalist ideological template, not that their skin color makes them lean toward one kind of ideology over another. That is what leftists believe, not conservatives).
You just don't get it do you? What Right-wing nutjobs such as you believe is that Leftists should be burned. And that Iraqi oil should be taken with force. Hey, that's not bigoted! That's just me pointing out that you "share a similar Right-wing template" as every other racist, buck-toothed, trucker-hat-wearing, pussle-gutted hillbilly in America. Such fun to be pigeonholed, isn't it?
As we all know, if GIMR were white, and I equated her to Margaret Sanger, Lillian Hellman, or Bella Abzug, no possible criticism of that comparison would ever hinge on an irrational predjudice I could be conceived to have based on an inherant attribute of GIMRs over which she had no control
But that's not what you did, and you know it. You continue to dig yourself in deeper. Typical Right-wing nutjob that you are, you are portraying yourself more and more like a Holocaust Denier. Just like those folks, you want to pretend like racism and sexism are "no big deal," and some conspiratorial scheme hatched by the Left. Give me a break.
I will reiterate: the various moral slanders beloved of the cultural and political Left, not by any means limited to but especially regarding race (follwed by class, gender, and ethinicity, which are the favoirites of this particular kind of demagogery) are compensations for and are offered in lieu of serious, critical philosophical argument.
Cornpone flushing of "undesirables," rounding up of Jews, homosexuals, communists, and others from the Left is the M.O. of Right-wing conservative crackpots like you, Loran. Your mentors, Roy Cohn and Senator McCarthy would be proud!
People like Scratch have none. They are those whome Thomas Sowell has dubbed "The Annointed" and their annointing releases them from any need to engage in serious, critical thought, or engage the substance of ideas.
You have nothing yourself. You label anything you don't like as "Leftist demagoguery," and that's the end of it.
No, for The Annointed, it is enough, when faced with facts, evidence, or logical argument claimed to refute their own ideas, to cry "Racist!" "Sexist!" "Homophonbe!" "Classist!" "Hate!" "Running dog exploiter!", or whatever the finely tuned PC of the day and issue happen to be at the time.
Yup, just like you kick out your racist, sexist, homophobic conflations right on cue. Did Gomer Pyle teach you that? Are your overalls all up in a bunch?
Its fun, its easy, and its also a bare faced admission at the outset that one has already lost the argument before the battle has even been joined.
Ah, so
that's why you keep shouting "Leftist demagoguery!!"
Argumentum ad nauseum. Well done again, you stupid Right-wing Neanderthal hick.
What leftists like Scratch and GIMR love to do, by hurling moral slanders and innuendoes and calling names, is to make the conservative or libertarian defend himself publically. He want's me to say "no, I'm not a racist and I never will be a racist". He wants me to make a plea for moral clemency from him. Of course, by the very act of doing so, I appear to be defensive and this accomplishes two things in political and cultual warfare. First, by the very act of responding, I add
psychological credibility to his claims.
None of us would have been able to say anything if you'd been tactful and politic in the first place. Instead, out comes your McCarthy-sanctioned bashing of anything that doesn't suit your fancy. Your stoneaged labeling of everything that scares you as "demagoguery."
Secondly, if the non-liberal allows it, the entire discussion will now become a disscussion of the leftist's oppenent's moral qualifications to even be in the debate.
Ah, right. You mean how the Conservatives were raising all sorts of questions about Clinton's ability to govern post-Lewinski?
This is how the Left has gone about debating the Right for my entire lifetime. Its the manner in which the Left has comported itself since the Frecnch Revolution. It was the intellectual modus operandi of almost the entire New Left during the sixties and early seventies.
Yep, and the strategy of the Right since the rise of Karl Rove has to squelch all sorts of American freedoms in the name of hick "moral values", and a bunch of people who think it's okay to justify anything at all---including murder---by saying, "Jesus told me so!" Great company your in, Loran. Can't you hear the
Andy Griffith Show theme song starting up? Don't you have a fence that needs paintin'? Doesn't your doublewide need a thorough vacuumin'? Maybe your sniper rifle needs a new scope? Does your white pointy hat need to be bleached?
But, no further need to belabor these points.
Loran
No, none at all, since you've had your butt kicked yet again, you Right-wing fascist ideologue.