Alter Idem wrote:I don't remember, was Froggie banned or was she carried away in the cyber currents? I don't remember when she left FAIR. I'd always get a chuckle when Juliann addressed Froggie and ended her post with "big green croaks". It hit my quirky funny bone.
Why me, I know what you are referring to with Froggie. There are a couple of posters on both sides of the fence there at MADB/FAIR whose "sweetness" has a hostile edge to it. Though I didn't agree with her much, I hope she'll join the board. The more the merrier!
Hugs can be hostile? Wow, ya learn something every day!
It was her tone with the hugs that got her banned. And not just the hugs. As I have said before if the tone sucks, the poster will get banned from MAD and rightly so. We now have some good LDS posters showing up on MAD and hopefully they will stay. They have independent ideas about life and that is just what is needed at MAD. And yet, they are faithful LDS. The tone is improving and more LDS posters will come on board. Also, for the critics, if their tone is decent and respectful, they will not be banned from MAD.
Alter Idem wrote:I don't remember, was Froggie banned or was she carried away in the cyber currents? I don't remember when she left FAIR. I'd always get a chuckle when Juliann addressed Froggie and ended her post with "big green croaks". It hit my quirky funny bone.
Why me, I know what you are referring to with Froggie. There are a couple of posters on both sides of the fence there at MADB/FAIR whose "sweetness" has a hostile edge to it. Though I didn't agree with her much, I hope she'll join the board. The more the merrier!
Hugs can be hostile? Wow, ya learn something every day!
why me wrote: I am not in the mood for big green hugs from a poster who has no intention of actually meaning it. Her big green hugs used to piss me off because I knew that she did not mean to give a hug...it became just a 'cute' saying by a critic who had no intention of 'hugging' the faithful LDS posters at FAIR/MAD.
Now do you understand why "Regards, Pahoran" and all the "Regards" copycats irritate some people?
No, I don't. Regards can be a common expression without demonstrative understandings. But 'big green hugs' comes across as a pisser when criticizing another's faith and then give that person whose faith one is being critical of, a 'big green hug'.
Do you see my point?
You see, Why Me? It is precisely this sort of tendentious nonsense that preventss me doing a revision of your dossier. The day you wake up and smell the Milo and realize that Pahoran is arguably the nastiest jerk in all of Internet Mormonism is the day I re-write your dossier.
why me wrote:Also, for the critics, if their tone is decent and respectful, they will not be banned from MAD.
Gotta disagree with you there, buddy - you can have a decent and respectful tone and still get banned. It's a capricious world over there. And apparently an LDS point of view gets you a lot of leeway in the area of "tone."
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe / But at least I'm enjoying the ride.
-Grateful Dead (lyrics by John Perry Barlow)
So yeah...I read a mention about Froggie in Shades blog and started this thread to try to locate Froggie. And this...is what happened.
Why Me:
I am not in the mood for big green hugs from a poster who has no intention of actually meaning it. Her big green hugs used to piss me off because I knew that she did not mean to give a hug...it became just a 'cute' saying by a critic who had no intention of 'hugging' the faithful LDS posters at FAIR/MAD.
Lets hope that she found a nice toad to hug somewhere else. But without the big green hugs sign off, I could get to like her.
No, I don't. Regards can be a common expression without demonstrative understandings. But 'big green hugs' comes across as a pisser when criticizing another's faith and then give that person whose faith one is being critical of, a 'big green hug'.
Do you see my point?
It was her tone with the hugs that got her banned. And not just the hugs. As I have said before if the tone sucks, the poster will get banned from MAD and rightly so. We now have some good LDS posters showing up on MAD and hopefully they will stay. They have independent ideas about life and that is just what is needed at MAD. And yet, they are faithful LDS. The tone is improving and more LDS posters will come on board. Also, for the critics, if their tone is decent and respectful, they will not be banned from MAD.
Jersey Girl: Why me, this was meant to be a locator post, not your personal "rag on Frogs and their sign off's". If you'd like to roast Froggie how about starting your own thread. I'm just looking for someone. sheesh.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
why me wrote:Also, for the critics, if their tone is decent and respectful, they will not be banned from MAD.
Gotta disagree with you there, buddy - you can have a decent and respectful tone and still get banned. It's a capricious world over there. And apparently an LDS point of view gets you a lot of leeway in the area of "tone."
Yes, the last group of Bannees shows that being a "respectful" critic is no guarantee you won't get banned. And I would agree that there are some LDS posters there who get away with more than would ever be tolerated if it came from a critic. However, as we've heard many times, it's their playground so it's their rules.
why me wrote:Also, for the critics, if their tone is decent and respectful, they will not be banned from MAD.
Gotta disagree with you there, buddy - you can have a decent and respectful tone and still get banned. It's a capricious world over there. And apparently an LDS point of view gets you a lot of leeway in the area of "tone."
Yes, the last group of Bannees shows that being a "respectful" critic is no guarantee you won't get banned. And I would agree that there are some LDS posters there who get away with more than would ever be tolerated if it came from a critic. However, as we've heard many times, it's their playground so it's their rules.
It's the inconsistency of the application of the "rules" that is the big problem. Now, they could write one set of rules for critics and one set for TBMs and then it would be a little clearer.
As of now, the "rules" don't mean jack squat. They are a joke (the rules, I mean).
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
I know Froggie personally, and have known her forever. We were neighbors before she moved to Utah county. She is the one that referred me to several boards for information, including this one. She also gave me a ton of books to read on Mormon history. I haven't spoken to her since November. I know that she is not currently in Utah. She is difficult to reach. I'll call her husband and try to track her down. I haven't gotten an email response from her for months so she's not spending time on the computer.
I had just started lurking on the FAIR (now MAD) board when she was banned. It had to do with an analogy she was making about questionable parts of Mormonism and how it looked and smelled like manure, but people insisted on thinking that if they continue to call it a rose it may become a rose despite the smell. Or something like that. I definitely remember the word manure because I thought it was funny she would use a farm term rather than normal profanity.
I just did a quick search for the post. The moderator removed her entire post and replaced it with this. "Vulgarity removed by mod. You are suspended. That was disgusting and unnecessary."
"I think one of the great mysteries of the gospel is that anyone still believes it." Sethbag, MADB, Feb 22 2008
Trinity wrote:I know Froggie personally, and have known her forever. We were neighbors before she moved to Utah county. She is the one that referred me to several boards for information, including this one. She also gave me a ton of books to read on Mormon history. I haven't spoken to her since November. I know that she is not currently in Utah. She is difficult to reach. I'll call her husband and try to track her down. I haven't gotten an email response from her for months so she's not spending time on the computer.
I had just started lurking on the FAIR (now MAD) board when she was banned. It had to do with an analogy she was making about questionable parts of Mormonism and how it looked and smelled like manure, but people insisted on thinking that if they continue to call it a rose it may become a rose despite the smell. Or something like that. I definitely remember the word manure because I thought it was funny she would use a farm term rather than normal profanity.
I just did a quick search for the post. The moderator removed her entire post and replaced it with this. "Vulgarity removed by mod. You are suspended. That was disgusting and unnecessary."
LOL!
I suppose vulgarity is in the eye of the beholder. ;)
I hope you find her. Give her my best, and be sure to invite her over here. I would love to talk with her again sometime.