DCP "Busts" Me

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Mister Scratch wrote:Sorry, Wade, I guess the OP was unclear. This is very, very old text from DCP. Since then he has been on a warpath/smear campaign against me. He totally reneged and retracted on that "benefit of the doubt" stuff, and has been insisting that I am a "brazen liar" ever since. (You know, the more I think about it, the more plausible it seems that it was DCP himself impersonating me on RfM.)

Anyways, Wade, I appreciate your "charitable" view towards me on this one. I truly am innocent of the things Prof. Peterson has accused me of.


Is this your way of admitting you were wrong to say that DCP "has *never* said this"?

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Mister Scratch wrote:Let's backtrack a moment. I asked, "Why did he go silent?" suggesting that he went silent because he could not provide an adequate defense against the criticism (bear in mind that this was after he 'threw down the gauntlet' by accusing me and others of having not read the article). You countered by saying, "Well, he probably felt a sense of futility in trying to have a conversation." My point is: What, is his "sense of futility" the sort of thing that "comes and goes"? He obviously has no problem responding when he feels like it... Why is it that he went dead silent after I'd posted an in-depth review of his article?

Hope that clarifies, ABman.

I think I understand your POV, but I also think Dr. Peterson might view some things as not worthwhile--that it would take too much effort to clarify all the things you, as he says, misinterpret. In other words, the selective silence and selective resopnsese probably has more to do with how he thinks other people will benefit, not how he thinks he can better communicate with you. Personally I think decent communication between the two of you is nigh impossible at this point as both seem convinced that the other is likely to be less-than-forthright.

And what credibility? I wasn't aware that I had any whether it be here or at MA&D.


You obviously feel that you've got *some*, or else you wouldn't feel the need to interject stuff like, "Hey, I'm not accusing, I'm just trying to clear the air," etc., etc. Right? Anyways, *I* normally find you to be quite credible, even if I don't always agree with you.

Cynic that I am, I feel like the only time I have any credibility with people is when I agree with them. I am glad to hear that this may not always be the case. It is true that I try to act in such a way that I could be credible to myself, but I try not to assume that others share my opinion of being credible.

You can see examples of his name-calling and viciousness in the current "O What A Tangled Web We Weave" thread, or on my blog, under the "DCP Doesn't Like Us" entry. He has called me, among other things, "mentally unbalanced," "mendacious," a "brazen liar," etc., etc. He likes to portray himself as being superior to Tal Bachman and others on RfM in this regard, but the truth is that he is just as much of a name-caller as they are.

Yes, but his insults are more high-brow than RfM's. ;o)

In any case, has there truly been a noticable increase in this sort of thing since your critical remarks on FARMS Review? I seem to recall such things happening beforehand as well.
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wenglund wrote:Is this your way of admitting you were wrong to say that DCP "has *never* said this"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Sure! You are 100% correct to point out that I was wrong to say that he *never* said this. He did in the very, very beginning; however, he quickly retracted and his been out to label me a liar ever since.
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asbestosman wrote:I think I understand your POV, but I also think Dr. Peterson might view some things as not worthwhile--that it would take too much effort to clarify all the things you, as he says, misinterpret.


Could be. However, I cannot help but point out that this is frequently is main "defense"---i.e., when he was been pinned in a corner, he starts flailing about and insisting that others are "misinterpreting" him. I don't buy this as a legitimate defense, and think that it is a cop-out.

In other words, the selective silence and selective resopnsese probably has more to do with how he thinks other people will benefit, not how he thinks he can better communicate with you. Personally I think decent communication between the two of you is nigh impossible at this point as both seem convinced that the other is likely to be less-than-forthright.


I don't think I agree with you. I happen to like DCP quite a bit and I enjoy reading his posts very much. What a pity that he seems incapable of reciprocating those sentiments.

Cynic that I am, I feel like the only time I have any credibility with people is when I agree with them. I am glad to hear that this may not always be the case. It is true that I try to act in such a way that I could be credible to myself, but I try not to assume that others share my opinion of being credible.


You can see examples of his name-calling and viciousness in the current "O What A Tangled Web We Weave" thread, or on my blog, under the "DCP Doesn't Like Us" entry. He has called me, among other things, "mentally unbalanced," "mendacious," a "brazen liar," etc., etc. He likes to portray himself as being superior to Tal Bachman and others on RfM in this regard, but the truth is that he is just as much of a name-caller as they are.

Yes, but his insults are more high-brow than RfM's. ;o)

In any case, has there truly been a noticable increase in this sort of thing since your critical remarks on FARMS Review? I seem to recall such things happening beforehand as well.


I believe there has indeed been a "noticeable increase." As I already pointed out, the "douche bag" quote appeared in a thread having to do with Peer Review. DCP's labeling me as "mentally imbalanced" (among other things) appeared after the long thread in which KG, myself, Rollo, and Plutarch discussed Peer Review. DCP's recent absence from MAD occurred after I reviewed "The Witchcraft Paradigm." Of course, I admit outrightly that all of this could simply be coincidence.
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Mister Scratch wrote: Sure! You are 100% correct to point out that I was wrong to say that he *never* said this. He did in the very, very beginning; however, he quickly retracted and his been out to label me a liar ever since.


I appreciate you admitting you were wrong. And, unlike the inclination of some in relation to the Church, I won't misconstrue that mistake as a lie, but will simply chalk it up as an honest oversight.

However, I can see from what you quoted above that DCP may have recently found more reason to doubt your earlier claim, but that is a far cry from him trying to label you a liar. Can you point to where, after his alleged "retraction", he ever used the word "liar" in reference to the specific incident in question?

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wenglund wrote:I appreciate you admitting you were wrong. And, unlike the inclination of some in relation to the Church, I won't misconstrue that mistake as a lie, but will simply chalk it up as an honest oversight.

However, I can see from what you quoted above that DCP may have recently found more reason to doubt your earlier claim, but that is a far cry from him trying to label you a liar. Can you point to where, after his alleged "retraction", he ever used the word "liar" in reference to the specific incident in question?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Sure, Wade. You can check out the old thread on KG's board, where DCP (posting as "Fritz"), called me a "brazen liar." You can also read the entry on my blog entitled, "A Memo from AF: DCP Doesn't Like Us," where he characterizes me as "mendacious," among other things.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Sure, Wade. You can check out the old thread on KG's board, where DCP (posting as "Fritz"), called me a "brazen liar." You can also read the entry on my blog entitled, "A Memo from AF: DCP Doesn't Like Us," where he characterizes me as "mendacious," among other things.


For one, I have been banned from KG's board, so I can't check that out. For another, what makes you assume that his alleged reference to you as a "brazen liar" or as "mendacious" was specific to the incident in question (your denying having called him a "douche bag"), rather than some other things?

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wenglund wrote:For one, I have been banned from KG's board, so I can't check that out. For another, what makes you assume that his alleged reference to you as a "brazen liar" or as "mendacious" was specific to the incident in question (your denying having called him a "douche bag"), rather than some other things?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Wade---

What on earth are you talking about? Are you supposing that he thinks I have "brazen[ly] lied" about something else? What, pray tell, do you suppose that is? The Quinn stuff? Because I honestly have no idea. Yes, I guess it is possible that him calling me "mendacious" refers to something other than the so-called "Douche Bag Incident," but I can't possibly fathom what that might be. I am unaware of DCP accusing me of lying in any other specific instance.

Edited to add:

Here is the post in question (er, one of them anyways)

Daniel Peterson wrote:I judge Mr. Scratch to have lied, repeatedly and shamelessly, to me while attempting to extract from me (successfully, for at least a time) an apology that, in fact, he did not deserve.

My judgment may be mistaken, but I don't think so. And, since he snipes from the safe cover of a pseudonym, I don't think that my judgment (right or, even, wrong) has done him much real damage.
(emphasis added)

Notice how he says that he does not care one way or the other whether he is wrong, but that he will continue with his smear campaign regardless. It may be time for you to re-evaluate your devotion to DCP, Wade.
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Re: DCP "Busts" Me

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Mister Scratch wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:About nine months ago, I asked "Mister Scratch," who was then posting on this board but has since gone on to become the principal ornament of a different message board...


So Scratch and Dr. Peterson are roughly equivalent counterparts on their respective boards? Obviously great care must then be taken to hang them properly. ;-)
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Am I the only one here who is "amazed" that we've been able to hold pages of discussion on this and other boards over the fact that "someone did or did not call someone a "douchebag" on a still different board over a year ago"?

Why do I suddenly feel like I'm on the playground in grade school???

"You called me a douchebag! You dummy!"
"No I didn't, stupid!"
"Did so, I heard you! Poopy pants!"
Oh yeah?
Yeah!

Yeah?

Yeah!

. . . . .

ad infinitum
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